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Useless metal genres

Annihilaytorr

Useless metal genres
June 01, 2006, 03:44:27 AM
Metalcore
Technical DM
Gothenburg
Grind
Doom
Viking
Power
"electronic"
Brutal DM
NS Black Metal



Some, like Doom and Grind, are (mostly)useless because the style is so limiting that only a few bands are needed to sum up the genres. Most NS Black Metal is poorly done Norway and/or Graveland worship. Others, like gothenburg, viking metal, brutal death/goregrind, industrial metal and most power metal exist because the ideas in Death, Black, and heavy metal are all used up, so in place of creativity, bands just mix extreme metal with heavy metal, add some flutes to go along with horribly done "folk vocals", squeal like a pig to a poorly played blast beat, and revert back to rock n roll.


Edit - Doom refers to trad doom and not "deathdoom" like Asphyx or dISEMBOWELMENT.

Re: Useless metal genres
June 01, 2006, 05:54:41 AM
Id somewhat agree, that idea is nothing new.

however:
- you just said "that most power metal exists because black and death metal are out of ideas". I agree that power metal is useless, but your reasoning... well...
- Industrial metal: how do you define that? Metal actually incorporating industrial elements? (thats nothing inherently bad at all - the mixing of styles has often provided worthwile bands) Or do you mean "Industrial black metal" and the like, which actually is useless, with the exception of Mysticum...
- also the re-incorporating of heavy metal into extreme styles isnt necessarily a bad thing to do, see rotting christ or dissection for examples.
- last but not least: Theres tons and tons of junk even in the "well established" genres, in most "genres" you mentioned i could think of a few bands that are worthwhile, so wheres the difference?

Conclusion: Most metal is useless, as is this topic...

Re: Useless metal genres
June 01, 2006, 06:02:59 AM
i agree with all that except viking metal, isnt that genre purly based upon the lyrics sung, so any metal band that sings about vikings is viking metal. Or at least thats what i thought ani no this will seem like a n00b question but whats Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement, im assuming the bm means black metal but thats all i can figure out

Re: Useless metal genres
June 01, 2006, 06:09:01 AM
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Or at least thats what i thought ani no this will seem like a n00b question but whats Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement, im assuming the bm means black metal but thats all i can figure out

Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement is short for national socialist (nazi) black metal.

Vajra

Re: Useless metal genres
June 01, 2006, 06:11:17 AM
In stupid Death Metal hubs on DC++, you get nerds discussing 'Slam Death Metal' and 'Groove Death Metal'.
What the fuck are these?

Annihilaytorr

Re: Useless metal genres
June 01, 2006, 06:12:10 AM
Perhaps I should just have said "metal" instead of death and black. Maybe then you would not have been confused.  

Dissection is horrible and bands like Rotting Christ and Varathron are exceptions, and not even applicable to this discussion as they date back to metal's hayday. They are not that good either.

No where did I imply there was not junk in the established genres.

Annihilaytorr

Re: Useless metal genres
June 01, 2006, 06:17:55 AM
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In stupid Death Metal hubs on DC++, you get nerds discussing 'Slam Death Metal' and 'Groove Death Metal'.
What the fuck are these?



ahhaha which hubs? Assclowns try that on soulseek but as soon as a discussion starts, they are usually blasted off the channel.

Slam/Grove death is part of Brutal DM. Dying Fetus, Devourment, Skinless and Dehumanized are examples of this type of stuff.  Wiggore nudeath junk.


Vajra

Re: Useless metal genres
June 01, 2006, 06:42:32 AM
Er...Grind|Stuff|Music. Just as well I don't share enough (shit) to get in there anymore.

I think I am getting a vague understanding of 'Groove' when I recall Dehumanized's album, and then tracks from Obituary's latest.
'Slam' is just an obscure term which reminds me of pro-wrestling than anything else.

Re: Useless metal genres
June 01, 2006, 02:58:26 PM
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ahhaha which hubs? Assclowns try that on soulseek but as soon as a discussion starts, they are usually blasted off the channel.

Slam/Grove death is part of Brutal DM. Dying Fetus, Devourment, Skinless and Dehumanized are examples of this type of stuff.  Wiggore nudeath junk.




I fail to see how Devourment is 'wigger' in the least.

Anyway, saying that brutal DM is useless invalidates bands including but not limited to Suffocation, Cryptopsy, Incantation, and Immolation.

Re: Useless metal genres
June 01, 2006, 05:57:28 PM
Brutal Death Metal shouldn't even be considered a genre. It's not a characteristic that distinguishes itself from other metal genres. In fact, it's a part of both Death, Black, and other metal genres already existing.

Annihilaytorr

Re: Useless metal genres
June 02, 2006, 01:30:54 AM
Stranger, I agree with that in theory, but "brutal" is a tag given to modern bands who have the modern sound. If it were up to me we would call the genre something else, but its not.  I suppose Brutal DM only needed one band to sum the style up - Suffocation(and this band isn't that great anyway)

Cryptopsy, Incantation, Immolation, and I suppose even Suffo, cannot quite be called brutal DM, for the same reason Iron Maiden can't be called power metal.

Re: Useless metal genres
June 02, 2006, 06:28:10 AM
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Some, like Doom and Grind, are useless because the style is so limiting that only a few bands are needed to sum up the genre.


I'd agree with Grind, but Doom...

Traditional Doom
Stoner Doom
Funeral Doom
Sludge
Drone
Black Doom
Death Doom
Dark Metal

Then you have bands like Khanate, Unholy, Esoteric and Void of Silence that are too hard to categorise into a sub-genre. There's plenty of variety there, you just have to know where to look to find the quality.

Also, apart from Wormed, I find Brutal Death Metal to be pretty worthless(unless you count Suffocation). Cryptopsy, Immolation and Incantation are definitely not Brutal Death Metal("brutal" is a bloody stupid word...).

Re: Useless metal genres
June 02, 2006, 12:21:24 PM
So what does a band have to exhibit to be 'brutal' death metal?

Annihilaytorr

Re: Useless metal genres
June 02, 2006, 12:42:54 PM
Blast beat loaded bands, usually in the mold of Suffocation, with modern production, and very little decernable roots in speed metal.  Piggy vocals are usually a must.

Re: Useless metal genres
June 02, 2006, 01:50:58 PM
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Blast beat loaded bands, usually in the mold of Suffocation, with modern production, and very little decernable roots in speed metal.  Piggy vocals are usually a must.



That doesn't sound totally unlike Cryptopsy to me.