The metal hall sure has "gotten" retarded if people can't think for themselves any more. The average "extreme metalhead" hasn't listened to any Cradle of Filth or Dimmu Borgir, or any entry-level music, at all, for a long while, since it is, by popular decree, fake, or something like that. I have no problem with saying that there are musically fantastic moments in the best moments of Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir, even if the majority of their output is absolute trash. I dare any member of this forum to listen to Dusk and Her Embrace, ignore the annoying vocals/keyboards, and tell me that there is no compositional skill (and that worthy of merit) in the album.
Edit: even a retard can stumble upon gold.