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Good popular music

Re: Good popular music
November 27, 2010, 11:44:52 PM
I'd say pop music is defined by the pop structure and also, as stated before, the reason behind the music. Daft Punk is pop music because they make music as entertainment, Kraftwerk make music because they want to fulfill some sort of artistic vision.

Re: Good popular music
November 28, 2010, 12:00:07 AM
Sure, but for the apparent intents of this particular thread, that definition doesn't seem to serve very well. A lot of entertainers try to make musical art, they just happen to fail miserably at it. It also suggests that, even if someone tries to make entertaining music but only succeeds in being marginally fun, the result is objectively better than someone who tries to make something artistic but "fails" because the result is massively entertaining, since the former's effect is closer to their intent.
HE WHO REAPS STORMS, SOWS WINDS. HE WHO SOWS WINDS, REAPS STORMS.

"It is better to go to a house of mourning than to go to a house of feasting, for death is the destiny of every man; the living should take this to heart."
-Ecclesiastes 7:2

Re: Good popular music
November 28, 2010, 12:41:09 AM
istaros - speaking of the Bee Gees:

http://www.bnrmetal.com/v2/search.php?name=bee+gees

Interesting, eh?
No.

Having reviewed the thread, baby Jesus is most definitely weeping at this point.

Re: Good popular music
November 28, 2010, 01:20:36 AM
Talk Talk, Talking Heads, Joy Divison, New Order, Killing Joke, The Pixies, Cocteau Twins, The Cranberries, Husker Du, My Bloody Valentine etc. etc.

These are all alt rock, pop and post punk from the 80's, which have some appeal to them. Admittedly, I only give Killing Joke and My Bloody Valentine an occasional listen.

Re: Good popular music
November 28, 2010, 12:16:01 PM
Daft Punk is pop music because they make music as entertainment

Maybe you should acquire knowledge about something before you make definitive statements.

I don't see why popular music has to stick to the pop structure.  The three links which I started the thread with don't use pop structure, and, apparently, two of those three were "'#1" (in the UK at least).  I'm looking into this House stuff at the moment primarily because a lot of it doesn't use pop structure.

The thread title is a contradiction in terms.

Because "popular" is always bad, irrespective of actual merit.

Re: Good popular music
November 28, 2010, 01:00:16 PM
House music?!

Varg is proud you, son.

Re: Good popular music
November 28, 2010, 08:43:22 PM
Quote from: Varg Vikernes
I also like some underground "white label" house music

Wow.  I knew he went to dance clubs when he distanced himself from "Metal", but I didn't know he actually listened to House music, now.  I'm pretty sure it was a very different genre back in the early '90s, though.

Re: Good popular music
November 28, 2010, 10:08:09 PM
It's not an impossibility, just a rarity.  I'm getting very much into what I would call "House" music at the moment - a friend of mine is an amateur DJ...

Maybe you should take more time to see if House is worth it before recommending it to others. We all go through phases like these, especially when young.

Re: Good popular music
November 29, 2010, 12:27:41 AM
I'm hardly recommending it, merely stating that I'm looking into it.  At the moment, very little is good, at all, though some of it interesting.  I haven't found anything better than the best of Daft Punk, at least.

Re: Good popular music
November 29, 2010, 05:13:17 AM
The Knife - Silent Shout (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxqeRMoYA5g)
The Cure - Seventeen Seconds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZwVgQ4Wq7E)
Jefferson Airplane - Surrealistic Pillow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0)

Re: Good popular music
November 29, 2010, 06:25:40 AM
I've always enjoyed Jefferson Airplane/Starship.  Dire Straits, the Doors, some Hendrix, and perhaps a few other groups/musicians which I can't quite remember at the moment, etc.

Re: Good popular music
November 29, 2010, 08:38:16 AM
Cargest, there is no "white label" house music, no matter Varg's words- it is always based on disco rhythm. Techno also has, say, house/negro origins, but sometimes it transcended them because of an ebm/electro influx.

Proto-ebm used to be a very interesting genre, before (a fairly recent) appropriation and misinterpretation through goths.

Here are some nice examples of early white body music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8t5rAIV3WY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTNVTP1iMNo

Both of these songs are from the very early 80's and later used as template by the Afro-Americans in Chicago and Detroit to create house and techno music. There are still some artists who create this type of pure pulse, maybe you'd like to check out:

http://depositfiles.com/en/files/2347944

This is an example of early 90's appropriation of techno music into a white beat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN8e_VF5Qm0
(be sure to continue to part 2, as the track is fairly long)

...just to put some things in context. Enjoy!



Re: Good popular music
November 29, 2010, 09:06:49 AM
As for other popular music, I'm pretty nostalgic for a specific kind of decadence-

Serge Gainsbourg:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1tqNv-c8OQ


David Bowie's Station To Station (1975) is a track inspired by Kraftwerk's Autobahn, later they returned the nod namechecking him on Trans-Europe Express:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY77zDzNmYw

It's important noting the song's heavy industrial beat was later used as a blueprint by Swans and similar bands. Also the Thin White Duke persona / crypto-fascist and occult lyrics... seminal!

Re: Good popular music
November 29, 2010, 06:18:39 PM
The thread title is a contradiction in terms.

Because "popular" is always bad, irrespective of actual merit.

No, but in the terms we are referring to (ie - music popular amongst the masses), it is true 99.9% of the time. I stand by my statement.
No.

Having reviewed the thread, baby Jesus is most definitely weeping at this point.

Re: Good popular music
November 29, 2010, 06:20:18 PM
There is good music to be found in the realm of the electronic, if one cares to look.

Jesselyn - Iron.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Mj9975eYY