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Good popular music

Re: Good popular music
December 09, 2010, 05:48:35 AM
I know I refuted myself. Its immature but I won't listen to popular music at all, period. I try to ignore it when its on.

But still, I can't deny the probability of good music in a genre I don't enjoy. I'll just never listen to it.

Wow, that's quite a negative approach to music. I know you've singled out pop music, but imagine if an avid black metal fan said "I can't deny the probability of good music in death metal , I'll just never listen to it." Would they, or would they not, be missing out on some of the best music ever made, purely due to stubbornness? Of course, the difference between death metal and black metal is not the same as that between "unpopular" music (or whatever you consider to not be popular music) and pop, but still: would you actually refuse to listen to a piece of music, purely because it's popular?

If the BM fan didn't enjoy DM at all and saw no place for it in their lives, based on an adequate exposure, would you really recommend that they listen to it anyway based on the greatness which others see in it?

It would have to be shown that listening to certain examples of pop music would actually be beneficial to the person in question. If even the best of the styles failed to show themselves to be worth listening to, then I think the person would be justified in not bothering to listen to any more of the styles, even if they recognise that others will see the merit of the music.

Re: Good popular music
December 09, 2010, 07:02:35 AM
What about jazz?

Re: Good popular music
December 09, 2010, 07:08:50 AM
I know I refuted myself. Its immature but I won't listen to popular music at all, period. I try to ignore it when its on.

But still, I can't deny the probability of good music in a genre I don't enjoy. I'll just never listen to it.

Wow, that's quite a negative approach to music. I know you've singled out pop music, but imagine if an avid black metal fan said "I can't deny the probability of good music in death metal , I'll just never listen to it." Would they, or would they not, be missing out on some of the best music ever made, purely due to stubbornness? Of course, the difference between death metal and black metal is not the same as that between "unpopular" music (or whatever you consider to not be popular music) and pop, but still: would you actually refuse to listen to a piece of music, purely because it's popular?

If the BM fan didn't enjoy DM at all and saw no place for it in their lives, based on an adequate exposure, would you really recommend that they listen to it anyway based on the greatness which others see in it?

It would have to be shown that listening to certain examples of pop music would actually be beneficial to the person in question. If even the best of the styles failed to show themselves to be worth listening to, then I think the person would be justified in not bothering to listen to any more of the styles, even if they recognise that others will see the merit of the music.

Of course, but deadite seemed to be indicating he would dislike something purely because its popular, not due to having tried unsuccessfully to appreciate its greatness. Also, he has since clarified exactly what he meant by "pop music" (a term which keeps changing in this thread), and I totally agree with him: following his definition of the "typical" stuff, once you've heard enough of that you've heard 'em all.

Good point though.

Re: Good popular music
December 09, 2010, 09:58:12 AM
Well then, if you won't listen to the "typical" stuff, which everyone with a brain shuns, then surely you'll listen to the non-typical stuff (like Daft Punk, for example...)?

Not necessarily. I've heard Daft Punk before; never really enjoyed it. My tastes in music confuse me sometimes, much less having to explain it to others haha.

Re: Good popular music
December 09, 2010, 09:59:56 AM
What about jazz?

There's a bit of goodness within this genre, but mostly it just pushes the "yeah man, everythings jive brotha, we all gotta just party and chill out to the jams!" mentality. Which is stupid. I will say on a personal note I enjoy the bass guitar technique within a lot of smooth jazz, and I've found some avant-garde jazz (Naked City) to be enjoyable.

Re: Good popular music
December 10, 2010, 12:45:58 PM
While I don't know anything about the music in this thread, I do know that I've been listening to the self titled Captain Beyond album religiously. To me it feels like the perfect marriage of the ideas that created metal and the infectious hooks and riffs of rock and roll. I'd say it's easily the greatest rock album I've ever heard. Thought that might kind of fit this pop music discussion. I think Captain Beyond would be just as appealing at a party in place of AC-DC, or to a Hessian in a private listening session.

Re: Good popular music
December 10, 2010, 08:05:06 PM
R.E.M. 's early 1980's stuff through "Life's rich pageant", before they became an emo hipster band is pretty decent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVzvn3iB1qs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2QzIynIPZk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBqBhTrXw3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGhT31D-Efw

Re: Good popular music
December 10, 2010, 08:25:04 PM
early pink floyd

Re: Good popular music
December 12, 2010, 08:17:22 AM
Kraftwerk - The Mix
Klangwelt - XOIO
VNV Nation - Judgement

Not too popular, not too bad.

Re: Good popular music
December 12, 2010, 11:14:15 AM
R.E.M. 's early 1980's stuff through "Life's rich pageant", before they became an emo hipster band is pretty decent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVzvn3iB1qs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2QzIynIPZk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBqBhTrXw3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGhT31D-Efw
Seconded.
What about jazz?

There's a bit of goodness within this genre, but mostly it just pushes the "yeah man, everythings jive brotha, we all gotta just party and chill out to the jams!" mentality. Which is stupid. I will say on a personal note I enjoy the bass guitar technique within a lot of smooth jazz, and I've found some avant-garde jazz (Naked City) to be enjoyable.
Have you heard Last Exit? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66MJ-KOFBFQ

Re: Good popular music
December 12, 2010, 12:48:50 PM
Just keep your standards high in every genre. If it isn't very close to Burzum or Kraftwerk levels of profound, leave it behind -- it's a way to fill your time, not reach for anything important.

Re: Good popular music
December 15, 2010, 06:36:45 AM
Just keep your standards high in every genre. If it isn't very close to Burzum or Kraftwerk levels of profound, leave it behind -- it's a way to fill your time, not reach for anything important.

True.  I still listen to Daft Punk, though.

Re: Good popular music
December 17, 2010, 10:58:55 AM
Bands I've enjoyed recently, how odd it may sound:
Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Beach house, The Beatles,  Marvin Gaye, The Rolling stones, Arcade fire, the National, Cinematic Orchestra (ma fleur), Pest (necessary measures), Mr Scruff, Heart, Flying lotus, Gonjasufi, The band, The flower kings, Led Zeppelin...

Jazz: I hear louis Armstrong is great, especially with his big band or something (I look into it). The things I've listened most to: mahavishnu orchestra, weather report and return to forever. 3rd world electric might be good as well, very weather reportstyle.

Daft Punk: I only have 'alive', are the others still worth buying then?

Oh and rush is great! :) And some bands are obvious (kraftwerk!!)

Re: Good popular music
December 17, 2010, 04:54:32 PM
Discovery is the only Daft Punk album I have, and I think it's definitely worth getting.

Would Power Metal classify as "popular music"?  A lot of the European stuff is popular on the continent, if not exactly the stuff that's constantly played on MTV, although I first heard Blackened Thrash on daytime Italian Music Television (Necrodeath was the band, if I remember correctly).

Re: Good popular music
December 18, 2010, 02:15:45 AM
Power metal : I remember enjoying Lost Horizon, Angra, Pagan's mind, Stratovarius, Fates Warning, Dragonland and Heavenly. Would you classify Grave Digger as power? Some good memories of Walls of Jericho by Helloween as well.  I still listen to Stratovarius and Fates Warning now and then.