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Sexuality and morality

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:06:21 PM
Another thing that should be morally condemned is excessive masturbation + pornography.

Why, to as to your reasoning, and why "morally?"

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:09:04 PM
Terms like homosexual are modern inventions with the pre-concieved notions that the same-sex desires of men are effeminate.

There is a long history of homoeroticism from the beginning of literary history with the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Biblical heroes of David and Jonathan, and the poems of Catullus. It was the love of warriors and the love for virtues of masculinity and heroism; it was a Platonic love that may also take a physical form as in The Sacred Band of Thebes where soldiers fought more bravely and fiercely as they were inspired by their lover.

It should be noted that it was anal sex, not homosexuality per se that was strongly condemned throughout history - it was anal sex that was associated with passiveness and effeminacy.

The term homosexual did not exist in antiquity or previous cultures because it was understood and acceptable, even encouraged and considered honourable for men to love each other and show each other affection (much homoerotic poetry of the middle ages was even written by churchmen and Arabs living under Islamic laws); men were not chastized or considered 'different' for loving other men.

Yes, much of modern 'gay culture' is degenerate. No doubt about that. 'Gay pride' parades serve to celebrate the worst aspects of modern sexuality. But the plague of modernity affects all, both heterosexual and homosexual. We could discuss the degenerate behaviours of heterosexuals all day long.

I am a male with same-sex desires and I have no shame in them.

The future of homosexuals lies in understanding the traditional societies who had a healthier and holistic view on the whole of sex as a part of a healthy society. Not something that should be hidden or taboo, not something to be taken lightly, but as an expression of love and virtue.

That's actually pretty accurate, though I don't really give a shit what the ancient world found taboo.  Though I'm not interested in anal sex (unless it's to sodomize some short, hot ,chick)  I don't really care if gay men pack the fudge unless they're waving their poopy dick around my face.

What if two gay men were like, how about we wrestle in the Greco-Roman style, winner gets ass?  I mean, that's not passivity, it's battle of wills and one will will sometimes win, sometimes lose.

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:10:24 PM
Homoism is probably learned behaviour rather than genetic/biological, in a healthy society is should not be tolerated for that reason. You would think if it were genetically based the "gay gene" would have quickly dissipated into extinction, although it's not as clear cut as that.
I think it's pretty clear that everyone is born bi-sexual, and then social programming generally weeds out that desire among men but not generally women. For example: we are attracted to features, not 'sexes'.

Anyways, I see no problem with a bisexual culture. Again, the whole 'hypersexualized' decadence of our culture is not due to sexual orientation but thought.

Those bi-sexual clams seem to do well for themselves.

I actually disagree regarding men, I think men are more hetero than women are.  Women are always a few shots of coconut rum behind licking a vag, get a guy plastered and he'll hit you upside the head with his jug of jim beam if you ask for his asshole.

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:11:47 PM
Homoism is probably learned behaviour rather than genetic/biological, in a healthy society is should not be tolerated for that reason. You would think if it were genetically based the "gay gene" would have quickly dissipated into extinction, although it's not as clear cut as that.

Yes, it's a learned behavior, with it existing throughout history in (almost) every culture, regardless of the times, regardless of the then-present social norms?

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:13:25 PM
Homoism is probably learned behaviour rather than genetic/biological, in a healthy society is should not be tolerated for that reason. You would think if it were genetically based the "gay gene" would have quickly dissipated into extinction, although it's not as clear cut as that.

Yes, it's a learned behavior, with it existing throughout history in (almost) every culture, regardless of the times, regardless of the then-present social norms?

I think it's clear that the original comment is nonsense.

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:16:27 PM
Alright men, now what about the swinger life style?

The "poly" "lifestyle" is a fraud, pretty much.  Just about all those people are fat and miserable (similar to the BDSM "lifestyle") and such "relationships" usually fall apart because of jealousy and drama.  Really, it's as ridiculous to deny the monogamous parts of humanity as it is to pretend that cheating in relationships is eternally rampant.

As for "swinger" or shit like "wife-swapping," that's usually older married people who, I think, have just stopped giving a fuck about fucking and like to fuck, fuck.  I don't know if I could trust these people, marriage creeps me out enough, no reason to go 180 and confuse me regarding it.

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:17:42 PM
Homoism is probably learned behaviour rather than genetic/biological, in a healthy society is should not be tolerated for that reason. You would think if it were genetically based the "gay gene" would have quickly dissipated into extinction, although it's not as clear cut as that.

Yes, it's a learned behavior, with it existing throughout history in (almost) every culture, regardless of the times, regardless of the then-present social norms?

I think it's clear that the original comment is nonsense.

*eyes narrow, and crosses arms on chest in an attempt to make arm flab appear as muscles*

"You talkin to me?"

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:19:09 PM
Homoism is probably learned behaviour rather than genetic/biological, in a healthy society is should not be tolerated for that reason. You would think if it were genetically based the "gay gene" would have quickly dissipated into extinction, although it's not as clear cut as that.

Yes, it's a learned behavior, with it existing throughout history in (almost) every culture, regardless of the times, regardless of the then-present social norms?

I think it's clear that the original comment is nonsense.

*eyes narrow, and crosses arms on chest in an attempt to make arm flab appear as muscles*

"You talkin to me?"

NO WAY PUNK

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:25:03 PM
Another thing that should be morally condemned is excessive masturbation + pornography.

Why, to as to your reasoning, and why "morally?"

Regarding morality, in my understanding, morality can be used to be against destructive things.

As for my reasoning, it comes from direct first hand experience. I have been a chronic masturbator to porn for years. And, really, what's wrong with it, right? It's just that a man, faced with millions of videos of sex with women/naked woman + fetishes and even bizarre videos, will hardly resist the temptation to watch them every day. The chronic pornography addcit suffers from erectile disfunction and feels anxious when is faced with real sex, instead of his fantasy porno world. It's a tool of the devil.

Imagine yourself masturbating to porn everyday, and with the internet, you can choose your favorites among millions of videos. Do you really think the sex life of the person who does that is going to be healthy?

Plus I advise you to search for the DEATH'S RELIGION part of this book:

http://feastofhateandfear.com/archives/vargs.html


Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:26:59 PM
I consider myself to be conservative and ever since I was a kid people have accused me of being "too conservative"

Yet I'm also quite liberal about sex. I disapprove of swinging because it threatens the social order but I'm pro-prostitution because I feel it keeps marriages together and also gives single people a better outlet for their frustrations than rape. However I should stress that I am only for organized prostitution (brothels, escorts) and strongly against street hookers because they bring along a lot of filth that drags down the quality of life in neighborhoods (drug dealing, crazy pimps, people having sex in public)

I am pro-porno. If anyone chooses porno (or prostitution) over investing time in a real relationship then that is their free choice, life is too short after all. And I believe most of the anti-porn arguments are rooted in christianity and humanism, there's been erotic literature and paintings virtually since the beginning of man. The only reasonable objection against porno that I can come up with is that a portion of porn does indeed promote unhealthy values (scat porn comes to mind fairly easy) But whether the majority of porn is questionable or only a minority is isn't relevant, it's more important to realize the power of porn and how it can be used to promote healthy values (for instance one strong hessian having sex with 20 beautiful women at the same time) I won't deny there's liberal porn out there, so what's taking the conservatives so long to come up with conservative porn? I mean, there's been feminist porn for decades too now so why not conservative porn? (Again: hessian man having sex with 20 beautiful women, soundtrack by Impaled Nazarene, etc)

Homosexuality. If it's just sex and they keep it behind closed doors then they can do what they want. But I'm against homosexuals who use public parks, theaters, parkinglots and what not to meet up and have anonymous sex in public. People can't even walk their dogs or let their children play anymore in some parks, I think that's disgraceful. I'm against gay parades which seem to celebrate the worst aspects of homosexuality (and life in general). In short: I'm not against gays but I am against their decadence just like I'm against the decadence of heterosexuals (swingers, scatters) As a human species we need to shape up, homos and heteros alike.

Well, I hope that's of interest. I'm gonna try out four different brands of shampoo now (on my dog first because I'm very careful with my hair)

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:34:57 PM
Another thing that should be morally condemned is excessive masturbation + pornography.

Why, to as to your reasoning, and why "morally?"

Regarding morality, in my understanding, morality can be used to be against destructive things.

As for my reasoning, it comes from direct first hand experience. I have been a chronic masturbator to porn for years. And, really, what's wrong with it, right? It's just that a man, faced with millions of videos of sex with women/naked woman + fetishes and even bizarre videos, will hardly resist the temptation to watch them every day. The chronic pornography addcit suffers from erectile disfunction and feels anxious when is faced with real sex, instead of his fantasy porno world. It's a tool of the devil.

Imagine yourself masturbating to porn everyday, and with the internet, you can choose your favorites among millions of videos. Do you really think the sex life of the person who does that is going to be healthy?

Plus I advise you to search for the DEATH'S RELIGION part of this book:

http://feastofhateandfear.com/archives/vargs.html



I don't give a shit what Varg thinks.  Maybe that's a cop out for not arguing against what he says, but really not interested in anything remotely approaching "Because Varg Said So."

I would say the sex life of that person is unhealthy, not because of the porn and jerkin the gerkin -- those are a substitute for them for not having a hole to fuck and not the cause of them not fucking.

I jerk it frequently and without regret, and look at some pretty deviant porn (facial abuse <3) and the one time I had sex (lol) it was normalish, terrible drunk sex (butterface bitch wouldn't suck me off, but sucked off my married friend for $15 and swallowed), but exactly what I expected it to be.  It's not a big deal.  I was just smart enough to not pursue sex like some slobbering "beta-male" and when I knew I could get a one-night stand with minimal effort, I did so.

Hell, jerkin it to porn beats looking for a girlfriend!  What's the point of being so sexually frustrated where you're desperate enough to have a relationship with an inferior?

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:35:59 PM
I consider myself to be conservative and ever since I was a kid people have accused me of being "too conservative"

Yet I'm also quite liberal about sex. I disapprove of swinging because it threatens the social order

Wha...t?

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:49:53 PM
Iconocloaca: You shouldn't care what anybody says, that's why I haven't said that "Varg" was the author. I just think the text is right. The author does not alter reality.

I know you think you're happy while masturbating to facial abuse porn. Honestly, I don't believe it. "omina animal trist post coitum". I'd say "omina animal mega trist post porn". There is a sexual energy that can be sublimated in the chores of everyday life. Ever feel too tired for no reason? Maybe stop masturbating to porn for some weeks and you'll feel more energic.

I'm sure the real sex was grat. I'm not done defeating my pornography addiction, I masturbated once to porn yesterday and then had sex with a real woman. It was good, but I think deep down we all know the sex would be way better if we did not masturbate looking at porn, just as any activity done too much becomes more boring than if done only occasionaly.

As I said I don't believe pornography masturbating is healthy at any stage, but wait just a few years of being a porn masturbator to see if you'll be able to quit or if it will not alter your sex life. If it doesnt, great. But my opinon is that it is totally unhealthy and degenerated.

Also you should take notice that a lot of doctrines exist wich use the sexual energy, the most powerful energy there is for us according to some people, and it is based on conserving it, not wasting it.


Anyway, time will tell, I'm sure.

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Those doctrines teach how to use the sexual energy in your everyday life for your benefit without spilling the semen.

http://sacred-sex.org/hinduism/sivananda-the-value-of-semen

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 12:57:56 PM
I never said I was happy.  I just get to rub my wee-wee and babby batter comes out.  That's just how it goes.

I think I feel tired a lot because I'm too poor to eat anything other than like 1.5 meals a day.  That, and I never leave my house (the outside world is gross).

The sex wasn't great because it was either boring, or because sex isn't that big of a deal.  Apparently if you care for someone the sex is better than usual, but I'm incapable of "love" or anything of that frilly sort.  LOL HARDASS MCGEE.

I don't view sex as a big deal.  I didn't even jerk it yesterday because I forgot.  I FORGOT.  It's not a big deal.

I don't give a shit about some mumbo-jumbo "doctrine" or some "release sexual energy while standing on your head while getting a footjob from a a gypsy midget and doing your best not to cum to not lose your essence." Energy is energy.  Your balls aren't a battery.

Re: Sexuality and morality
December 21, 2010, 01:01:19 PM
I never said I was happy.  I just get to rub my wee-wee and babby batter comes out.  That's just how it goes.

I think I feel tired a lot because I'm too poor to eat anything other than like 1.5 meals a day.  That, and I never leave my house (the outside world is gross).

The sex wasn't great because it was either boring, or because sex isn't that big of a deal.  Apparently if you care for someone the sex is better than usual, but I'm incapable of "love" or anything of that frilly sort.  LOL HARDASS MCGEE.

I don't view sex as a big deal.  I didn't even jerk it yesterday because I forgot.  I FORGOT.  It's not a big deal.

I don't give a shit about some mumbo-jumbo "doctrine" or some "release sexual energy while standing on your head while getting a footjob from a a gypsy midget and doing your best not to cum to not lose your essence." Energy is energy.  Your balls aren't a battery.

I believe if some scientist said it was important, you would believe it? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyway, those doctrines are based on pure experience, hard work, and results.

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I never said I was happy.

So you do it to become sad? Or is there some happiness when you kindly manipulate your weewee, to reach orgasm? Do you feel bad when you're manipulating it? I bet not. But I bet you don't feel too great when it ends and that whole mess is made. So you agree you do it to feel happy/exctied for a while, only to consider it all pointless after it ends?