Sexuality and morality

[Wolfgang]

Are there any true standards of sexuality that society should adhere to in an ideal society? I understand the natural aversion to effeminate behavior and homosexuality, and also the natural desire to maintain a monogamous relationship thus defending the family unit and increasing the odds of successful genetic reproduction. I get the pragmatism behind sexual morality. But what of those who consensually opt out?

Is there any logical argument against a swinger life style or other sexual fetishes as long as they don't harm the family unit and are behind closed doors?

And what of homosexuals in a future society?

[.....]

Terms like homosexual are modern inventions with the pre-concieved notions that the same-sex desires of men are effeminate.

There is a long history of homoeroticism from the beginning of literary history with the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Biblical heroes of David and Jonathan, and the poems of Catullus. It was the love of warriors and the love for virtues of masculinity and heroism; it was a Platonic love that may also take a physical form as in The Sacred Band of Thebes where soldiers fought more bravely and fiercely as they were inspired by their lover.

It should be noted that it was anal sex, not homosexuality per se that was strongly condemned throughout history - it was anal sex that was associated with passiveness and effeminacy.

The term homosexual did not exist in antiquity or previous cultures because it was understood and acceptable, even encouraged and considered honourable for men to love each other and show each other affection (much homoerotic poetry of the middle ages was even written by churchmen and Arabs living under Islamic laws); men were not chastized or considered 'different' for loving other men.

Yes, much of modern 'gay culture' is degenerate. No doubt about that. 'Gay pride' parades serve to celebrate the worst aspects of modern sexuality. But the plague of modernity affects all, both heterosexual and homosexual. We could discuss the degenerate behaviours of heterosexuals all day long.

I am a male with same-sex desires and I have no shame in them.

The future of homosexuals lies in understanding the traditional societies who had a healthier and holistic view on the whole of sex as a part of a healthy society. Not something that should be hidden or taboo, not something to be taken lightly, but as an expression of love and virtue.

[Walt]

It should be noted that it was anal sex, not homosexuality per se that was strongly condemned throughout history - it was anal sex that was associated with passiveness and effeminacy.

-Yet partaking in consensual sodomy defines homosexuality. If there is no anal sex how are the literary epics homoerotic- you could just as well be describing a strong friendship between hetrosexuals.

[Wolfgang]

Dag I wasn't looking for a fag to equate sucking a dick in a porn theater to literary triumphs.

[Transcix]

And what of homosexuals in a future society?

Is it foolish to think that the ideal society should unequivocally prevent homosexuals from reproducing amongst their own kind, considering the speed at which their numbers could grow compared to the population of everyone else?

[lord.aspie]

Homoism is probably learned behaviour rather than genetic/biological, in a healthy society is should not be tolerated for that reason. You would think if it were genetically based the "gay gene" would have quickly dissipated into extinction, although it's not as clear cut as that.

[Wolfgang]

Homoism is probably learned behaviour rather than genetic/biological, in a healthy society is should not be tolerated for that reason. You would think if it were genetically based the "gay gene" would have quickly dissipated into extinction, although it's not as clear cut as that.

Why haven't the autism, down syndrome, hipster or retard genes died out? Why are kids still born with a tail or 12 fingers? It would be ridiculous to assume that a male couldn't somehow develop with a sexuality tuned towards female. What process would stop that error from randomly happening? Homosexuality is a birth defect in the strictest sense. I really don't mind faggots though. Leprosy is great album.

[TableauxParisiens]

Homoism is probably learned behaviour rather than genetic/biological, in a healthy society is should not be tolerated for that reason. You would think if it were genetically based the "gay gene" would have quickly dissipated into extinction, although it's not as clear cut as that.

I think it's pretty clear that everyone is born bi-sexual, and then social programming generally weeds out that desire among men but not generally women. For example: we are attracted to features, not 'sexes'.

Anyways, I see no problem with a bisexual culture. Again, the whole 'hypersexualized' decadence of our culture is not due to sexual orientation but thought.

Those bi-sexual barnacles seem to do well for themselves.

[istaros]

\Why haven't the autism, down syndrome, hipster or retard genes died out? Why are kids still born with a tail or 12 fingers?

Random emergence of aberrant genes? There's always a chance something will go wrong in the reproductive development of cells, but that hardly means it's stupid to try to minimize such incidences. Although I find homosexuality a lot less troubling than those other defects you mentioned - they're actively harmful, gayness is just gross.

I really don't mind faggots though. Leprosy is great album.

lol

[TableauxParisiens]

\Why haven't the autism, down syndrome, hipster or retard genes died out? Why are kids still born with a tail or 12 fingers?

Random emergence of aberrant genes? There's always a chance something will go wrong in the reproductive development of cells, but that hardly means it's stupid to try to minimize such incidences. Although I find homosexuality a lot less troubling than those other defects you mentioned - they're actively harmful, gayness is just gross.

Gross maybe if you're weak. What, are you that sensitive?

[Wolfgang]

\Why haven't the autism, down syndrome, hipster or retard genes died out? Why are kids still born with a tail or 12 fingers?

Random emergence of aberrant genes? There's always a chance something will go wrong in the reproductive development of cells, but that hardly means it's stupid to try to minimize such incidences. Although I find homosexuality a lot less troubling than those other defects you mentioned - they're actively harmful, gayness is just gross.

I really don't mind faggots though. Leprosy is great album.

lol

Normal, healthy people have retarded, autistic and hipster kids. I don't think there is a"gay gene" that could be destroyed. It's an error in brain development. Inverse sexuality. It's not like gays reproduce.

[indjaseemun]

Another thing that should be morally condemned is excessive masturbation + pornography.

[Wolfgang]

Another thing tha should be morally condemned is excessive masturbation + pornography.

Why?

Don't make me self conscious about the activities I do between posts.

[Wolfgang]

Alright men, now what about the swinger life style?

[indjaseemun]

OK if you don't mind seeing your woman having intercourse with other men.

One important thing about sex that I realized, is that we're made of sex. There is sexual energy that we use, and if you believe in theories that there is no time and all is happening at the same time, then at the same time you're here, you're also being created by the sexual act of your parents, and we know that the begginning and foundation of a thing is important. That's just an example that made me realize we are pure sex, when I looked at a small kid, who have their sexual energy at full speed, only not being used to have sex yet. If you really look at a small kid, or even an adult, you can see it's not only the result of the sex act, we are sex. It's hard to explain my realization, but maybe someone will agree.