eh, ok. i agree that GOG & red in the sky are masterpieces, but i don't see how their earlier efforts and TSD are mutually exclusive.
and for the record, i think that the first two songs on SOTS are great. the rest, obviously "meh", but those two are great angry songs. i just hate that album for starting the whole "melo-death" bullshit again.....
but there was no pretending about TSD. on SOTS, it seemed clear to me that they were striving for a certain goal/sound, and that's what made it "ugh" status, but on TSD it just seems like a group of guys writing what they felt like writing with no clear direction or boundries, and i love the raw emotion of it.
guess we just differ on where they "jumped the shark".