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Canonical Metal Collection

Re: Canonical Metal Collection
November 26, 2007, 07:47:05 PM
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Among the very best, it's hard to say which is ahead. Brahms, Bruckner, Beethoven, Wagner, Schumann, or Vivaldi? We'd go insane fighting out the details, which are unimportant.

Wagner may have reached one of the highest expressions of music to date, but there are always better expressions. Sadly, I don't think Immortal, Graveland, Burzum, Emperor et al are it, but they are closer than most of these idiots by a sizable distance.


Schuman must be rolling in his grave to be considered an equal of Wagner. Yet at the same time extremely complimented for being compared to Brahms and Beethoven.  To bad I don't know his personal stances too many other composers.

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Re: Canonical Metal Collection
November 26, 2007, 10:57:25 PM
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Schuman must be rolling in his grave to be considered an equal of Wagner.


Not really. He admired Wagner greatly, aside from occasional criticism.

Re: Canonical Metal Collection
November 26, 2007, 11:18:03 PM
"However, as Schumann was pulling together his troops to combat silly theatre-music and vain displays of technical prowess, a much more dangerous foe was massing his forces on the horizon: the "Music of the Future," whose chief proponents were Liszt and Wagner. These sought to destroy music as a language of poetic ideas, the most efficient language with which to make the process of human creativity conscious for the listener, and instead made music the language of Eros -- of powerfully irrational sensual effects. In doing so they were attacking the very fundamentals of musical composition, and opening the door to the horrors of twentieth century music.

Schumann, in defense of music's fundamentals, invoked the greatest of poets, Bach and Beethoven:

"We yet need a publication to defend the 'music of the future.' Only such men as the late blind cantor of the Thomas School and the deaf conductor who lies in Vienna could aptly edit it."

Liszt and Wagner counterattacked against Beethoven himself, by revising and misperforming his works. Liszt produced abominable piano transcriptions of his symphonies and Wagner "revised" the famous Ninth. Schumann published the following one-sentence review of a performance of Fidelio in 1848:

"Bad performance; incomprehensible tempi taken by the conductor, Richard Wagner."

"Schumann attacked the compositions of Wagner on the grounds that they were simply bad music: in Schumann's words, "paltry, downright amateurish, formless, and repellent."




As can be seen by that Schuman thought Wagner was attacking the very foundations of great classical music. He view Wagner the way Varg might view Cradle of Filth. One can hardly say he thought Wagner great.

Re: Canonical Metal Collection
November 30, 2007, 03:14:49 AM
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Music/aesthetic interpretation and an understanding of hierarchy are both integral to having a practical understanding of reality.


I agree in theory, but at some point, we're going to be dividing up the flight of Zeno's arrow into inconsequential distances.

http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/ZenoArrow.html

Re: Canonical Metal Collection
April 19, 2011, 11:16:37 AM
We're talking about a list you can hand to any person on earth and say, "This is quality metal - you cannot go wrong here - you will see the best side of the genre and if you understand music, see why it is worthy."

Have you settled on anything, dear OP?

Re: Canonical Metal Collection
April 20, 2011, 08:13:18 PM
Aw! It looks like you had already compiled a canon, a few months earlier [P.S. THANKS!]:

...This is a list of -- according to one metal think tank -- the best art produced by underground death metal and black metal genres...

BEST OF BLACK METAL

1. Burzum - Hvis Lyset Tar Oss
2. Immortal - Pure Holocaust
3. Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
4. Darkthrone - Transylvanian Hunger
5. Graveland - The Celtic Winter
6. Bathory - Blood, Fire, Death
7. Ildjarn - Det Frysende Nordariket
8. Summoning - Dol Guldur
9. Gorgoroth - Antichrist
10. Beherit - Electric Doom Synthesis
11. Enslaved - Vikinglgr Veldi
12. Havohej - Dethrone the Son of God
13. Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
14. Sacramentum - Far Away From the Sun
15. Mutiilation - Remains of a Dead, Ruined, Cursed Soul

Best of Black Metal MP3s

BEST OF DEATH METAL

1. Massacra - Final Holocaust
2. Deicide - Legion
3. Morbid Angel - Blessed Are the Sick
4. Therion - Beyond Sanctorum
5. Sepultura - Morbid Visions
6. Incantation - Onward to Golgotha
7. Morpheus Descends - Ritual of Infinity
8. Necrophobic - The Nocturnal Silence
9. Obituary - Cause of Death
10. Suffocation - Effigy of the Forgotten
11. Atheist - Unquestionable Presence
12. Dismember - Like an Ever-Flowing Stream
13. Amorphis - The Karelian Isthmus
14. At the Gates - The Red in the Sky is Ours
15. Demilich - Nespithe
16. Asphyx - The Rack

Best of Death Metal MP3s