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Defining the ANUS metal community

Defining the ANUS metal community
January 13, 2011, 08:29:16 PM
I would have PMed the admins, but since this topic seems to be one of conversation these days, I figure I'll make an open thread about it. I'm writing an article evaluating the state of profound discussion in the online metal scene today, and as part of that article I give an overview of the major players, including the ANUS metal community. I'd like my article to be as fair an objective as possible, therefore I'd like to run a draft of the part about the ANUS metal community by y'all to see if I can improve it (particularly the part about your anti-egalitarian ideology). Note that I avoid addressing the views of the main ANUS site (about nihilism/etc only, not metal) as neither am I sufficiently familiar with them nor are they really relevant (although if I was sufficiently familiar I might stick em in edge-wise to add some context).

EDIT: See later posts for an updated draft.

The most prominent website with a focus on profound metal discussion is affiliated with ANUS, a group that can obviously be identified as nihilist by its name—American Nihilist Underground Society (pun intended). The main ANUS website is about nihilism and has nothing to do with metal, but directly associated with it is Dark Legions Archive (DLA), a metal website that's been around since 1993. DLA's URL begins with www.anus.com, a name chosen in the spirit of social and moreover philosophical rebellion, and this aspect of the website has made DLA—or at least it's URL—more well-known throughout the online metal scene than would otherwise be the case, sometimes resulting in people getting the wrong impression about what DLA represents. DLA is particularly well-known for its in-depth articles section as well as its discussion forum. More recently, some of the folks at ANUS created a non-profit organization and webzine dedicated to promoting hessian values and culture (a "hessian" is someone who lives the metal lifestyle), the Hessian Studies Center, as well as a website focusing on death metal, DeathMetal.org. This one community of people, in varying degrees of collaboration with outside contributors, is at the helm of a significant portion of the profound metal discussion available to be had online.

ANUS's metal community is highly controversial however, and considering the extent of their influence upon profound online metal discussion the controversy surrounding them should be briefly discussed. The controversy is twofold. First, the ANUS metal community is often criticized as being pseudo-intellectual, arrogant and elitist. Admittedly they do use very big words in their articles, as well as and arguably more questionably in their album reviews—some feel the need to point out an album review isn't a philosophical treatise—however considering the imbalance in the online metal scene favoring superficial discussion over profound discussion it must be wondered if a more general aversion towards sophisticated conversation isn't at play here (a hypothesis which this author's personal experience supports). Part of the trouble probably lies in that the ANUS metal community tends strongly to synthesize their nihilistic philosophical perspective with their views on metal and as a result some metal listeners feel the ANUS metal community is co-opting metal for their own ends and forcing misplaced ideas onto their readers. It should be noted in all this that the ANUS metal community doesn't dispute the accusations of being elitist, but rather they tend to maintain a survival-of-the-fittest mentality and tend to view elitism simply in the clinical sense of acknowledging superiority where superiority exists.

Second, the ANUS metal community is often criticized as being racially and religiously prejudiced. In reality, the ANUS metal community maintains an anti-egalitarian view of different races, cultures and religions, generally favoring the white race and its traditional, conservative heritage of authentic pagan-esque experience revering nature as well as truth (as opposed to modern 'Nintendo' culture), and affirming a non-interventionist stance towards other nations and ethnic cultures so that each may evolve in relative isolation without amalgamation-induced homogenization. Although violence against other ethnic cultures isn't officially advocated, the majority of people would still refer to the ANUS metal community's ideology as prejudiced discrimination, and denigration and the promotion of violence against other ethnic cultures does take place to a certain degree within their (publicly viewable) discussion forum. The extent to which their ideology and philosophy influences the content of their articles about metal, however, is almost entirely limited to an infusion of nihilistic as well as transcendental idealist concepts. It should be noted that the ANUS metal community does endorse and actively engage in the internet art of trolling, in terms of subversion (not to mention enjoyability), and this antagonizes further criticism against them. It should also be noted that the existence of national socialist black metal, a black metal sub-genre often promoting violence against other ethnic cultures, runs somewhat parallel to ANUS metal ideology and is thus liable to be unintentionally conflated with it by critics.

The ANUS metal community is certainly a unique community in the online metal scene, and although delivering an ultimate verdict here may satisfy some readers, this article aims to remain fair, objective and neutral. What's unfortunate is that not only do many people who have very strong feelings about anti-egalitarian ideology decline to participate in profound metal discussion hosted by the ANUS metal community, the ANUS metal community also holds fairly tightly to a specific, nihilist-oriented philosophical and spiritual paradigm which may deter further people from participating in discussion, not to mention that certain paradigms which depart too widely from the ANUS metal community's paradigm risk being poorly tolerated by the community. On the other hand, where the ANUS metal community's thoughts on metal are concerned—discounting any surrounding ideologies—the ANUS metal community is certainly very harsh towards the current state of the domain of metal and holds it and the average metal listener to a far more rigorous standard than most other metal websites do, and such is arguably something sorely needed in the domain of metal today (online or offline); many would also credit the ANUS metal community just for the attempt of stimulating profound metal discussion, in a climate where such discussion is so lacking, regardless of whether or not they agree with the conclusions the ANUS metal community ultimately draws. In contemplating the acceptability of the ANUS metal communities views, also to be considered is the extent to which metal is often home to arguably extreme views (Satanism, etc) and arguably in appropriate themes (morbidity, violence, etc).

Re: Defining the ANUS metal community
January 14, 2011, 06:52:01 AM
Quote from: Transcix
Second, the ANUS metal community is often criticized as being racially and religiously prejudiced. In reality, the ANUS metal community maintains an anti-egalitarian view of different races, cultures and religions, generally favoring the white race and its traditional, conservative heritage of authentic pagan-esque experience revering nature as well as truth (as opposed to modern 'Nintendo' culture), and affirming a non-interventionist stance towards other nations and ethnic cultures so that each may evolve in relative isolation without amalgamation-induced homogenization. Although violence against other ethnic cultures isn't officially advocated, the majority of people would still refer to the ANUS metal community's ideology as prejudiced discrimination, and denigration and the promotion of violence against other ethnic cultures does take place to a certain degree within their (publicly viewable) discussion forum.
Maybe I'm just naive or ignorant or something, but I think this whole section is pretty far off.  The site itself seems to go way out of its way to make it perfectly clear that they support ethno / pan-nationalism, not racism, and that they are proponents of race realism.  The only "favoritism" I've seen appears to be simply incidental to the fact that most people here are white.

In terms of the community here, most of the "racist" statements I've seen are clearly intended to be humorous.  I've only seen a few instances of what could be considered denigration, prejudice, etc. and they were all rather benign.

Re: Defining the ANUS metal community
January 14, 2011, 07:10:55 AM
Quote from: Transcix
Second, the ANUS metal community is often criticized as being racially and religiously prejudiced. In reality, the ANUS metal community maintains an anti-egalitarian view of different races, cultures and religions, generally favoring the white race and its traditional, conservative heritage of authentic pagan-esque experience revering nature as well as truth (as opposed to modern 'Nintendo' culture), and affirming a non-interventionist stance towards other nations and ethnic cultures so that each may evolve in relative isolation without amalgamation-induced homogenization. Although violence against other ethnic cultures isn't officially advocated, the majority of people would still refer to the ANUS metal community's ideology as prejudiced discrimination, and denigration and the promotion of violence against other ethnic cultures does take place to a certain degree within their (publicly viewable) discussion forum.
Maybe I'm just naive or ignorant or something, but I think this whole section is pretty far off.  The site itself seems to go way out of its way to make it perfectly clear that they support ethno / pan-nationalism, not racism, and that they are proponents of race realism.  The only "favoritism" I've seen appears to be simply incidental to the fact that most people here are white.

In terms of the community here, most of the "racist" statements I've seen are clearly intended to be humorous.  I've only seen a few instances of what could be considered denigration, prejudice, etc. and they were all rather benign.

I never say the site itself is racist, just anti-egalitarian--"racist" is a judgment statement implying the racist party is ignorant. "Favoritism" is the same thing. I feel like you think I've denounced the site nonetheless, am I correct this is your impression and if so why? "Ethno-nationalism" is a great term you point out though, I'll insert it into the text later. Also I suppose I should replace "nationalism" with "pan-nationalism", that's a better descriptor. As for the kind of discussion that goes on here in the forum, I'll wait for a few more opinions before I pass judgment on that if you don't mind, and I'll definitely take your opinion duly into consideration.

Oh, also it's interesting you say "the site seems to go out of its way to make it perfectly clear that they support ...". I had originally written that the site doesn't care terribly much about how it's perceived by others, i.e. it doesn't try to appeal to the lowest common denominator and if you're too stupid to get it then you won't get it, but later scraped that line from the text. Could you indicate in what way you see the site takes special care to ensure its views aren't misconstrued as straight-up racism?

Re: Defining the ANUS metal community
January 14, 2011, 07:46:14 AM
I never say the site itself is racist, just anti-egalitarian--"racist" is a judgment statement implying the racist party is ignorant. "Favoritism" is the same thing. I feel like you think I've denounced the site nonetheless, am I correct this is your impression and if so why? "Ethno-nationalism" is a great term you point out though, I'll insert it into the text later. Also I suppose I should replace "nationalism" with "pan-nationalism", that's a better descriptor.
I wouldn't say you were denouncing the site.  I simply thought you were giving a slightly misleading description of it.

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As for the kind of discussion that goes on here in the forum, I'll wait for a few more opinions before I pass judgment on that if you don't mind, and I'll definitely take your opinion duly into consideration.
That seems fair enough.

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Oh, also it's interesting you say "the site seems to go out of its way to make it perfectly clear that they support ...". I had originally written that the site doesn't care terribly much about how it's perceived by others, i.e. it doesn't try to appeal to the lowest common denominator and if you're too stupid to get it then you won't get it, but later scraped that line from the text. Could you indicate in what way you see the site takes special care to ensure its views aren't misconstrued as straight-up racism?
Here are a few examples from the articles section:
Why I am not a White Nationalist or neo-Nazi
Nobody Wants Your Apocalyptic Hate Cult
Race is Important, Racism is Not
The Danger of Racism and Antisemitism
White Power
Creating the African Superman

Re: Defining the ANUS metal community
January 14, 2011, 07:49:03 AM
The site itself seems to go way out of its way to make it perfectly clear that they support ethno / pan-nationalism, not racism, and that they are proponents of race realism.  The only "favoritism" I've seen appears to be simply incidental to the fact that most people here are white.

Correct.

It is probably a mistake to include political data on the same site as metal data. Most people coming up through the popular music curve are heavily heavily indoctrinated in the "our way is the only way that's smart" left and will see the world in binaries, e.g. it's either anti-racist (internationalist) or "racist."

Re: Defining the ANUS metal community
January 14, 2011, 09:10:39 AM
Here are a few examples from the articles section:
Why I am not a White Nationalist or neo-Nazi
Nobody Wants Your Apocalyptic Hate Cult
Race is Important, Racism is Not
The Danger of Racism and Antisemitism
White Power
Creating the African Superman

Ah, these are from the main, non-metal ANUS site. Great.

The site itself seems to go way out of its way to make it perfectly clear that they support ethno / pan-nationalism, not racism, and that they are proponents of race realism.  The only "favoritism" I've seen appears to be simply incidental to the fact that most people here are white.

Correct.

It is probably a mistake to include political data on the same site as metal data. Most people coming up through the popular music curve are heavily heavily indoctrinated in the "our way is the only way that's smart" left and will see the world in binaries, e.g. it's either anti-racist (internationalist) or "racist."

The more I look over DLA, the more it seems to me all mentions of ethno-nationalism are confined to the main non-metal ANUS site?...

Perhaps one point to distinguish is that the main non-metal ANUS site doesn't have its own discussion forum, it has this one that focuses on metal (but has the chasm for general discussion).

PS - I remember now I should give mention to the Romanticism aspect of DLA.

Re: Defining the ANUS metal community
January 14, 2011, 10:33:04 AM
I strongly suggest you to pay attention to the FAQ text in the DLA. only if people would read that document they wouldn't be so closed minded and they wouldn't start yelling "pseudo intellectual!" so fast. You will also see there a good description of the relationship between romanticism and metal but also a technical description of how metal relates to the past. I think as well that your original draft doesn´t make the big difference with racism and racial realism. You actually make seem ANUS as a parallel of n s bm ( actually there' a word filter for racial slurs and that term, to resemble the dislike for their poor quality sacrificed for the sake of its political message.) Most people here rejects that Stormfront shit, make sure to notice that distinction  

Re: Defining the ANUS metal community
January 14, 2011, 11:21:35 AM
First, the ANUS metal community is often criticized as being pseudo-intellectual, arrogant and elitist.

Good point, but these accusations are only made from within the metal community by people who have minimal interaction with higher education or are career dogmatics.

Second, the ANUS metal community is often criticized as being racially and religiously prejudiced. In reality, the ANUS metal community maintains an anti-egalitarian view of different races, cultures and religions, generally favoring the white race and its traditional, conservative heritage of authentic pagan-esque experience revering nature as well as truth (as opposed to modern 'Nintendo' culture), and affirming a non-interventionist stance towards other nations and ethnic cultures so that each may evolve in relative isolation without amalgamation-induced homogenization.

Is this true? ANUS has some beliefs, the DLA generally doesn't include any of this stuff. It mentions it as historically important, which offends liberals, and liberals are mostly inclined toward re-writing history to fit their narrative of The People Versus The Power.


Re: Defining the ANUS metal community
January 14, 2011, 05:12:31 PM
Revised draft: (I won't re-insert the links in the first paragraph (DeathMetal.org, Hessian.org, etc), they're not really important for the purposes of this post)

The most prominent website with a focus on profound metal discussion is affiliated with ANUS, a group that can obviously be identified as nihilist by its name—American Nihilist Underground Society (pun intended). The main ANUS website is about nihilism and has nothing to do with metal, but directly associated with it is Dark Legions Archive (DLA), a metal website that's been around since 1993. DLA's URL begins with www.anus.com, a name chosen in the spirit of social and moreover philosophical rebellion, and this aspect of the website has made DLA—or at least its URL—more well-known throughout the online metal scene than would otherwise be the case, sometimes resulting in people getting the wrong impression about what DLA stands for. DLA is particularly well-known for its in-depth articles section as well as its discussion forum. More recently, some of the folks at ANUS created a non-profit organization and webzine dedicated to promoting hessian values and culture (a "hessian" is someone who lives the metal lifestyle), the Hessian Studies Center, as well as a website focusing on death metal, DeathMetal.org. The ANUS metal community is very harsh towards the current state of the metal domain and holds it and the average metal listener to a far more rigorous standard than most other metal websites do, and such is arguably something sorely needed in metal domain today. It should be noted that this one community of people, in varying degrees of collaboration with outside contributors, is at the helm of a significant portion of the profound metal discussion available to be had online.

ANUS's metal community is highly controversial however, and considering the extent of their influence upon profound metal discussion online the controversy surrounding them should be briefly discussed. The controversy is twofold. First, the ANUS metal community is often criticized as being pseudo-intellectual, arrogant and elitist. Admittedly they do use very big words in their articles, as well as and arguably more questionably in their album reviews—some feel the need to point out an album review isn't a philosophical treatise—however considering the imbalance in the online metal scene favoring superficial discussion over profound discussion it must be wondered if a more general aversion towards sophisticated conversation isn't at play here (a hypothesis which this author's personal experience supports). Part of the trouble probably lies in that the ANUS metal community tends strongly to synthesize their philosophy with their views on metal and as a result some metal listeners feel the ANUS metal community is co-opting metal for their own ends and forcing misplaced ideas onto their readers. It should be noted the ANUS metal community tends to view the interpretation of art as a rather objective as opposed to subjective affair, asserting for example that metal is necessarily largely Romantic in nature. It should also be noted in all this that the ANUS metal community doesn't dispute the accusations of being elitist, but rather they tend to maintain a survival-of-the-fittest mentality and tend to view elitism simply in the clinical sense of acknowledging superiority where superiority exists.

Second, the ANUS metal community is often criticized as being culturally, racially and religiously prejudiced. In reality the main ANUS non-metal community, and relatedly the ANUS metal community, maintain a traditional conservative, anti-egalitarian, pan-nationalist and ethno-nationalist view of the world's different races, cultures and religions, generally favoring their own Indo-European ethnography and a corresponding organic, experiential, pagan-esque form of transcendental idealism, and generally promoting a non-interventionist stance towards other ethnographic groups that each may evolve in relative isolation without amalgamation-induced homogenization. The majority of people would categorize these views as prejudicial discrimination, but the ANUS metal community defends their views as being totally unconnected with white power or neo-Nazism and pertaining to racial realism rather than racism; admittedly the distinction between racial realism and racism is an extremely controversial and 'touchy' subject in modern mainstream society. It should be noted that the views of national socialist black metal, a black metal sub-genre often promoting violence against other ethnographic groups, runs somewhat parallel to the ANUS metal community's views and is thus liable to be incorrectly conflated with them by critics.

A notable complexity in all the controversy surrounding the ANUS metal community is that the metal discussion forum used by them is the same discussion forum used by the main non-metal ANUS community (the membership of the two communities overlaps significantly)—a 'general discussion' sub-forum where any topics can be discussed is a standard component in the vast majority of online discussion forums—and also sometimes things get said in this more casual format—often in jest, admittedly—that wouldn't be said under more formal circumstances. Unfortunately many people who have very strong feelings about anti-egalitarian ideology and/or nihilistic philosophy decline to participate in profound metal discussion hosted by the ANUS metal community, plus certain paradigms which depart too widely from the ANUS metal community's views risk being poorly tolerated by the community, which means at the end of the day the quantity of profound metal discussion online is rendered less abundant. It should be noted that the extent to which the ANUS metal community's views influence the content of DLA's popular articles section is almost entirely limited to an infusion of nihilistic, Romantic and transcendental idealist concepts. Lastly on the subject of the ANUS metal community, it should also be noted that the ANUS metal community does endorse and actively engage in the internet art of trolling, in the interest of subversion (not to mention enjoyability), and this antagonizes further criticism against them.

Re: Defining the ANUS metal community
January 14, 2011, 05:18:18 PM
Revised draft: (links not included, so that I can avoid having my post caught by the spam trap)

The most prominent website with a focus on profound metal discussion is affiliated with ANUS, a group that can obviously be identified as nihilist by its name—American Nihilist Underground Society (pun intended). The main ANUS website is about nihilism and has nothing to do with metal, but directly associated with it is Dark Legions Archive (DLA), a metal website that's been around since 1993. DLA's URL begins with www.anus.com, a name chosen in the spirit of social and moreover philosophical rebellion, and this aspect of the website has made DLA—or at least its URL—more well-known throughout the online metal scene than would otherwise be the case, sometimes resulting in people getting the wrong impression about what DLA stands for. DLA is particularly well-known for its in-depth articles section as well as its discussion forum. More recently, some of the folks at ANUS created a non-profit organization and webzine dedicated to promoting hessian values and culture (a "hessian" is someone who lives the metal lifestyle), the Hessian Studies Center, as well as a website focusing on death metal, DeathMetal.org. The ANUS metal community is very harsh towards the current state of the metal domain and holds it and the average metal listener to a far more rigorous standard than most other metal websites do, and such is arguably something sorely needed in metal domain today. It should be ntoed that this one community of people, in varying degrees of collaboration with outside contributors, is at the helm of a significant portion of the profound metal discussion available to be had online.

ANUS's metal community is highly controversial however, and considering the extent of their influence upon profound metal discussion online the controversy surrounding them should be briefly discussed. The controversy is twofold. First, the ANUS metal community is often criticized as being pseudo-intellectual, arrogant and elitist. Admittedly they do use very big words in their articles, as well as and arguably more questionably in their album reviews—some feel the need to point out an album review isn't a philosophical treatise—however considering the imbalance in the online metal scene favoring superficial discussion over profound discussion it must be wondered if a more general aversion towards sophisticated conversation isn't at play here (a hypothesis which this author's personal experience supports). Part of the trouble probably lies in that the ANUS metal community tends strongly to synthesize their philosophy with their views on metal and as a result some metal listeners feel the ANUS metal community is co-opting metal for their own ends and forcing misplaced ideas onto their readers. It should be noted the ANUS metal community tends to view the interpretation of art as a rather objective as opposed to subjective affair, asserting for example that metal is necessarily largely Romantic in nature. It should also be noted in all this that the ANUS metal community doesn't dispute the accusations of being elitist, but rather they tend to maintain a survival-of-the-fittest mentality and tend to view elitism simply in the clinical sense of acknowledging superiority where superiority exists.

Second, the ANUS metal community is often criticized as being culturally, racially and religiously prejudiced. In reality the main ANUS non-metal community, and relatedly the ANUS metal community, maintain a traditional conservative, anti-egalitarian, pan-nationalist and ethno-nationalist view of the world's different ethnographic groups that generally favors their own Indo-European ethnography and a corresponding organic, experiential, pagan-esque form of transcendental idealism and generally promotes a non-interventionist stance towards other ethnographic groups that each may evolve in relative isolation without amalgamation-induced homogenization. The majority of people would categorize these views as prejudicial discrimination, but the ANUS metal community defends their views as being totally unconnected with white power or neo-Nazism [link] and pertaining to racial realism rather than racism [link]; admittedly the distinction between racial realism and racism is an extremely controversial and 'touchy' subject in modern mainstream society. It should be noted that the views of national socialist black metal, a black metal sub-genre often promoting violence against other ethnographic groups, runs somewhat parallel to the ANUS metal community's views and is thus liable to be incorrectly conflated with them by critics.

A notable complexity in all the controversy surrounding the ANUS metal community is that the metal discussion forum used by them is the same discussion forum used by the main non-metal ANUS community (the membership of the two communities overlaps significantly)—a 'general discussion' sub-forum where any topics can be discussed is a standard component in the vast majority of online discussion forums—and also sometimes things get said in this more casual format—often in jest, admittedly—that wouldn't be said under more formal circumstances. Unfortunately many people who have very strong feelings about anti-egalitarian ideology and/or nihilistic philosophy decline to participate in profound metal discussion hosted by the ANUS metal community, plus certain paradigms which depart too widely from the ANUS metal community's views risk being poorly tolerated by the community, which means at the end of the day the quantity of profound metal discussion online is rendered less abundant. It should be noted that the extent to which the ANUS metal community's views influence the content of DLA's popular articles section is almost entirely limited to an infusion of nihilistic, Romantic and transcendental idealist concepts. Lastly on the subject of the ANUS metal community, it should also be noted that the ANUS metal community does endorse and actively engage in the internet art of trolling, in the interest of subversion (not to mention enjoyability), and this antagonizes further criticism against them.

Heh, originally I had hoped to cover the ANUS metal community in one or two paragraphs... boy was I wrong!

Re: Defining the ANUS metal community
January 15, 2011, 08:25:08 AM

 It should be noted that the views of national socialist black metal, a black metal sub-genre often promoting violence against other ethnographic groups, runs somewhat parallel to the ANUS metal community's views and is thus liable to be incorrectly conflated with them by critics.


did you write this correctly?  I don't think you mean to say "parallel"?

Re: Defining the ANUS metal community
January 15, 2011, 08:43:40 AM
I saw a problem with that bit too. Not in the use of that word -it's clear to me what you meant- but the short, off-handed nature of the mention is inevitably going to lead to people thinking that ANUS and Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement *can* be conflated. If you say to the average person, "it's incorrect to say that elephants like donuts," what is their next mental step going to be? To question why not, which by default associates elephants with donuts in their mind. In some (many?) cases this in turn will lead to a conflation of the two that would never have existed without the initial dismissive statement, which as a result accomplishes the opposite of what it was meant to do. People will have further thoughts based on any statement made to them, and the less descriptive the original statement, the more misguided their further thoughts will be. Either expand the reasoning behind the statement or cut it out altogether, as it's ultimately unnecessary. In all the many criticisms of ANUS & its related forums I've seen, I don't recall ever seeing someone paint them as being associated with Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement.

While it is not WRONG to say that NSBM runs "somewhat paralllel" to ANUS views, it is irrelevant. You could also say that Charles Manson's and the Marquis de Sade's views run somewhat parallel to ANUS', but what's the point if it's only "somewhat?"

Re: Defining the ANUS metal community
January 15, 2011, 10:41:11 AM
I've definitely seen poor-quality criticisms conflate ANUS and Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement. I think what I mean is clear because "national socialist black metal" is actually a link so people can read further up on it (I edited out the link here so the spam bot lets my post go through), also the words "national socialist" black metal should be an indication as I just previously mentionned ANUS had pan-nationalist and ethno-nationalist beliefs, also just earlier I indicated ANUS advocates non-intervention, which is the opposite of violence, against other ethnographic groups. Therefore I definitely think I should leave the Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement reference in. However it's very easy to change the word "parallel" to something that doesn't leave room for interpretation, as you are thinking it's unclear then I guess other people will also have the same impression - in short it's a correction that I can easily make and that I'm happy to; thanks for pointing it out. However something I'm having trouble with is that I have seen violence advocated by ANUS, for example here they say:

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That isn't to say that I "hate" those people; I simply want them removed, for the greater health of all of us. There is no ethnic group that doesn't benefit from eugenics, as for each weaker person that you eliminate a stronger one takes their place. It isn't a moral judgment on these people of "bad" or "good" but a simple recognition of their genetic value relative to other potential people. If, hypothetically, you had 100 places on a spaceship and could have no more, every retarded person or lazy person or child molestor or fat freak you let on would be excluding someone better from having their place.

It's in everyone's interest to simply put a bullet in them and move forward with healthier breeding. I don't trust any government or central bureaucratic agency to do this, so instead I favor smaller tribes who have the ability to exclude anyone they want, without some idiot bureaucrat coming in and crying foul over the person's race, color, gender, sexual orientation, weight, etc. Discrimination is a fact of life, and it should be encouraged. Not every person belongs in every place. In whatever town John F. Kerry finds ideal, for example, I wouldn't be allowed, nor would I want to live (same goes for many other politicians).

That's a very clear endorsement of eugenics. However, I don't see ANUS advocating that the laws of our times be broken and that eugenics should take place not only in theory but also in practice. As a result of this, I don't think I even want to mention it, and how I put it originally was nice because it didn't imply it one way or the other. I really don't mean to go into so much detail, so considering all this I'd like to make it a bit ambiguous. Let me try to improve it a bit though (edit I just saw the censor and this gives me a good idea):

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It should be noted that the views of ANUS's metal community are liable to be conflated by critics with the views of national socialist black metal (Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement), a black metal sub-genre often promoting violence against other ethnographic groups, since they both pertain to metal as well as nationalist topics; however, the ANUS metal community is strongly opposed to Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement and even censors the phrase "national socialist black metal" on their discussion forum (the phrase is automatically altered to read "Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement").

How's that?