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ADD/Ritalin

Re: ADD/Ritalin
April 29, 2011, 03:19:53 AM
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Fighting to improve oneself by leaps and bounds compared to the majority of vacuous imbeciles is an idiotic cause?
No, dying to make the world safe for Walmart is an idiotic cause.  
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I am of a sound enough mental disposition already that I do not require any exterior influence to force myself to improve myself, and this is why I have no reason to join the army, or any similar group.  I can discipline myself, and I discipline others, and I owe both of these facts to my being disciplined by my rolemodels and a significant amount of general anger and willpower.  
1311 posts in two years since you've been here is not a sign of good self-discipline, that's a sign that you spend an unhealthy amount of time on the internet.  
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It's also fitting for people that suffer from debilitating anxiety that they themselves cannot cure. I have no idea why you keep bringing up politics, perhaps I should have said join a military because you assume I must mean the US military, although I never mentioned any particular allegiance. Converting to Islam and fighting for Allah in Afghanistan as the well known former Hessian Adam Gadahn did, bless his warlike spirit, is equally valid. If you are Jewish you may want to consider moving to Israel and joining their defense force. Warfare in general will bring discipline or death. Regardless you'll no longer have chronic anxiety.
Why do you value discipline so much?  Artistic geniuses usually lack discipline.

Also, I get panic attacks when I smoke a lot of weed and tend to be introverted; I don't see that as being particularly "debilitating."  I certainly didn't ask for anyone's help in the matter; I simply came to discuss derealization, a profound state of mind, even if it is scary and brought on by a certain mental weakness.  Keep in mind, those who have certain weaknesses tend to overcompensate in other ways, making them far more likely to do something great.  How many geniuses can you think of that were sickly as children?  It is weaknesses like that which keep people indoors and away from people that lead them to try to earn acceptance in other ways (more noble ways, in my opinion).
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I'm not sure what you are saying here, are you suggesting that discipline will damage parts of your brain as drugs might? Ancient soldiers must have been pretty fucking dumb if thats the case.
No, I'm saying discipline teaches you not to question things.  If something hurts ignore it, if something doesn't make sense just shut up and follow orders.  In some ways that could be good, such as things involving your efficiency at whatever task your superiors think you're useful for, but it's bad when it comes to having a deeper understanding of the universe (some spiritual disciplines might help, but most would simplify that) or creative work of various types (and obviously there are exceptions where some forms of discipline can help with creative work, but I don't think military discipline, particularly modern military discipline, would be very helpful in that regard.  It certainly could be harmful.).    
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It requires hard work on your part and a sense of duty to yourself that you can't just let your body and mind go to beer and pot after you're discharged.
Bullshit!  Any patriotic idiot can succeed in the military, and any physically fit idiot with too much testosterone and a strong desire to kill can succeed in the marines.  
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Baseball is the true American sport. There is a reason that American football players die early, God hates them.
Thanks for proving my point.  You're still just sitting in front of a tv watching roided-out monkeys with a bag of chips in your hand.
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Yes, there are many methods of disciplining yourself, hence why I specifically suggested it to people who "cannot discipline themselves". If you had discipline, you wouldn't have to worry about your overactive mind, because you'll be consistently active. It's not so much about you having an overactive mind as much as it is you being underactive in general, you lazy fucking wiener.
It's lack of TIME actually that is the reason why I haven't pursued these other things.  Speaking of which, this argument is getting much too long-winded, so this "lazy fucking wiener" won't be continuing it from here on out.

Re: ADD/Ritalin
April 29, 2011, 03:55:14 AM
Woah! If this isn't a joke you really are a weenie boy.

If you don't have high testosterone and a strong desire to kill, why are you even here? How can DEATH METAL be appealing to such a person?

By the way, what the hell was up with that I like baseball, therefore I am a roided-out monkey watching TV with a bag of chips in my hand comment? How could I play baseball and watch TV at the same time? How would I hold a bag of chips and a baseball bat at the same time? What about pitching? I never said I watch baseball on TV, you assumptious anxious flabby fuck.

Re: ADD/Ritalin
April 29, 2011, 02:36:55 PM
Quote from: Cargest
Fighting to improve oneself by leaps and bounds compared to the majority of vacuous imbeciles is an idiotic cause?
No, dying to make the world safe for Walmart is an idiotic cause.

Come on, you can't be so dense as to misunderstand what I'm saying here.

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I am of a sound enough mental disposition already that I do not require any exterior influence to force myself to improve myself, and this is why I have no reason to join the army, or any similar group.  I can discipline myself, and I discipline others, and I owe both of these facts to my being disciplined by my rolemodels and a significant amount of general anger and willpower.  
1311 posts in two years since you've been here is not a sign of good self-discipline

How do you know that I haven't disciplined myself to be on the internet for disordinate amounts of time even though I dislike it hugely?

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that's a sign that you spend an unhealthy amount of time on the internet.

1.597 posts a day?  Each post probably takes, on average, half a minute to compose.  Add time spent connecting to the internet, navigating to anus.com, and reading other posts, I could probably spend as little as five minutes a day on the internet and still have the same number of posts, of the same quality.  No, most of my internet time is taken up researching things which are less well documented at my local library.  Most of my time, in general, is taken up with doing things - gym, hiking, writing music, "socialising", eating, working, studying, and generally experiencing life - and walking between doing things.  The fact that you took the time to try and find such an irrelevant piece of information out so as to make some kind of retort against good advice is indicative of your ever more Jewish attitude on this thread.

Stop trying to weed your way out of doing something worthwhile.  That's positively scummy behaviour, and you should bloody well know that if you've spent more than half an hour reading the material on this website and its affiliates.  You've complained about being a certain way: people who have experience in these matters have told you to suck it and do something about your "predicament", and you've responded with whiny, often unintelligent posts, which do a disservice to you more than they do a disservice to the people you're struggling against.  Instead of finding excuses and spurious "loopholes" which don't actually work, man the fuck up and do something positive.

Why do you value discipline so much?  Artistic geniuses usually lack discipline.

Not in my understanding/experience.  Self-proclaimed "artists" lack discipline.  Real Artists are highly disciplined individuals, on the whole - Bach, Wordsworth, Vikernes, etc.

Re: ADD/Ritalin
April 29, 2011, 06:39:06 PM
What discipline do you think Varg practiced?  I remember pretty distinctly him saying that black metal originated out of a lack of direction.

Re: ADD/Ritalin
April 29, 2011, 08:09:04 PM
Maybe we need to make the distinction between discipline, as a general term, and self-discipline, which being disciplined by others should teach you, if you are unable to learn self-discipline on your own.  I'll use the term "discipline" to refer to both, since this is English, and words in English have various meanings.

Varg Vikernes is a very disciplined man, now, and in the past (no drugs/booze/cigarettes, set on his goals, writing a great amount of music in a short amount of time - all of these are signs of discipline).  A "lack of direction" is not indicative of a lack of discipline; it simply means that the actors involved have not yet established a single goal (which could be due to a huge number of reasons).

Why are you not taking up other points that I've made?  I'd like to know if you've read what I've said, considered it, found it to be valid, and are going to put it into practice in your life.  Otherwise I won't bother trying to get you to fix your own problems, and will start asking why you think this is the right place to start talking about them if you don't want people to comment and provide guidance, however harsh it may be (you lazy fucking wiener).

Re: ADD/Ritalin
April 29, 2011, 08:33:36 PM
What discipline do you think Varg practiced?  I remember pretty distinctly him saying that black metal originated out of a lack of direction.

A void of direction that allowed them to define their own and create something new. Not a void that allowed them to say "life is hard, and trying to fix my problems might break me, so I'll play it safe and blame them on something outside myself."

Re: ADD/Ritalin
April 29, 2011, 08:42:10 PM
Why are you not taking up other points that I've made?
I'm reading them, and am certainly tempted to respond to them, but I (sometimes) have the self-discipline not to argue with people who would be too proud to admit when they're wrong anyways.  I have much better things to do and not at all enough time to do them.

Re: ADD/Ritalin
April 30, 2011, 01:44:02 PM
I have much better things to do

Like being pointlessly anxious, amirite?

If you wanted to make the best use of the short amount of time you want to spend here, you'd take the strongest of my points and address those, instead of attempting to nitpick.