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Thus passes the great hero Anders Breivik into martyrdom

Now you're making less sense. "Objectively good", in any case, would mean that this event was socially beneficial (which was not).

NOPE.  WRONG.  "OBJECTIVELY GOOD" DOES NOT EXIST.  GO BACK TO NIHILISM 101.

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Now you're telling that, objectively, a man killed 90 people, what's your next objective affirmation? Sky is blue and grass is green?

Well, if we can agree on what "sky", "blue", "grass", and "green" are, I don't see why not.  That's pretty damn objective.  I'll give you another one: "things exist".

Objectivity is recognition of facts without clouding through judgment/perception.  How do you not know this?

The "emotional" people on this thread have forgotten/never learned fundamental premises which we should all have accepted by now (how long have you people been inside the ANUS?).  In no particular order: Life and Death are equally sacred; il messaggero no e importante; everything is relative beyond the objective.  Objectively speaking, one man killed ninety odd people.  Emotionally speaking, this is ("could be construed to be") a horrible event which just serves to place people against those with similar views as this man, because obviously crackpots who latch onto extremist ideas are emblematic of the true members of groups who follow such ideas.

What a load of fucking bullshit.  Give me the objective perspective any day.  My own emotional response to this is FUCK YES, PEOPLE DIED.  DEATH IS GOOD.  I LIKE DEATH (NOT THE BAND, THE TERMINATION OF LIFE). /capslock

I would never have expected people here to get butthurt over that kind of sentiment, just as I would never have expected people here to give two shits about this faggot or his garbled recycling of good ideas.  He killed a fucktonne of people - that's good.  Forget the reasons for which he did it, forget the people who died, forget all of that circumstantial bullshit, and recognise that a miniscule dent was made in the human population of this planet by one man.  To be cliché: that's fucking Metal, man.

Does it not therefore follow that this whole discussion is an irrelevance?  We might as well discuss the implications of the piss I just took in the ocean with regards to global sea levels

Does it not therefore follow that this whole discussion is an irrelevance?  We might as well discuss the implications of the piss I just took in the ocean with regards to global sea levels


Pretty much.  The vast majority of what's discussed on these forums is of no real importance.

Does it not therefore follow that this whole discussion is an irrelevance?  We might as well discuss the implications of the piss I just took in the ocean with regards to global sea levels


Pretty much.  The vast majority of what's discussed on these forums is of no real importance.

Well of course - talk alone only takes you so far.

The point I was making was really in reference to your previous post. If we strip back the morality (whether you think this is a great tragedy or a hilarious massacre) a few dozen people were killed by a semi-coherent ideologue. So what?

We'll see the usual fear induced reaction from the authorities and public who will completely fail to understand why this happened and some PR pleasing but completely ineffectual measures will be taken to 'prevent this from happening again'.

He was a tall and beautiful bodybulider

I think someone has a crush...

Anyways I'm not offended by this thing in Norway or making light of it, nor do I label it as "terrorism", but if there's any value in Breivik's actions it certainly did not shine through the obscurant poverty of Anonymous' original post, which is ironic and sad. Delicate, controversial and existentially profound subject matter requires serious and adept treatment in order for 'alternative' / non-mainstream perspectives about it to be constructive and persuasive.

In fact it now is clear, that none of the claims about his person are true, but that he was a computer game player living in his mothers basement.

He did anabolic steroids and he even most likely photoshop manipulated the images of himself.

He didn't have anything original to say, even if he was somewhat articulate in the Norwegian posts.

So there is no further reason to discuss this mediocre guys opinions.

Instead you should now point out the obscurant poverty of people praising Ceasar and Napoleon, whose massacres were of a much grander scale.


If there is one thing, the Norwegian socialdemocratic youths can learn from this, it is, that war and violence is not something only found in history books. And Anders Breiviks gift to them is to wake a few hipsters on picnic up to reality.









And Anders Breiviks gift to them is to wake a few hipsters on picnic up to reality.

Unfortunately I fear he has succeeded only in polarizing people more towards blind patriotism and religion.
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The universe is naked, attack its corpus, take a real stab at your life and let the blood flow — RIP the sound of the very fabric tearing.

He was a tall and beautiful bodybulider

I think someone has a crush...

Anyways I'm not offended by this thing in Norway or making light of it, nor do I label it as "terrorism", but if there's any value in Breivik's actions it certainly did not shine through the obscurant poverty of Anonymous' original post, which is ironic and sad. Delicate, controversial and existentially profound subject matter requires serious and adept treatment in order for 'alternative' / non-mainstream perspectives about it to be constructive and persuasive.

In fact it now is clear, that none of the claims about his person are true, but that he was a computer game player living in his mothers basement.

He did anabolic steroids and he even most likely photoshop manipulated the images of himself.

He didn't have anything original to say, even if he was somewhat articulate in the Norwegian posts.

So there is no further reason to discuss this mediocre guys opinions.

Instead you should now point out the obscurant poverty of people praising Ceasar and Napoleon, whose massacres were of a much grander scale.


If there is one thing, the Norwegian socialdemocratic youths can learn from this, it is, that war and violence is not something only found in history books. And Anders Breiviks gift to them is to wake a few hipsters on picnic up to reality.


And if there's one thing that I've learned from this, it is, that there are some extreme faggots on this forum. They intellectualize their faggotry but that doesn't make them any less of a faggot.


You simply do not deserve comfort and happiness if you're unwilling to suffer and make sacrifices for them.

...by taking the easy way out and throwing a temper tantrum with an assault rifle, rather than doing the actual work, suffering, and self-sacrificing effort of having a positive effect on the world.

I'm not crying over the fact that this happened, but this guy didn't do anything admirable or useful.

The easy way out? Are you actually suggesting that sitting behind a pc all day is "the positive way bro" and going through the trouble of detonating bombs in a government building while personally killing 82 people is the "easy way"? That's the sort of bullshit that is rampant throughout this entire thread. It's almost as if people are jealous or afraid of someone actually getting some work done. Who the hell are you to pretend you're better than Anders? What, you have a blog that's read by maybe 20 people each week? You spoke in class about how multiculturalism fails and you managed to get some people's attention for 10 minutes? Or you have better taste in music? You're acting like fools.

Anders simply wanted to show white people that they can have their revolution too, just like 9/11 was a wake-up call to many muslims. Aawww, does a real revolution scare you? Chickenshit conformist like your parents...

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Rudely wakened liberals: 'HEEELP! The wax statues of ill-defined political persuasion are coming to kill us, we all gonna dieeeeee!!11!1'

No, this was an act so absurdly mis-targeted it doesn't even terrify anyone except the personally involved.

And if there's one thing that I've learned from this, it is, that there are some extreme faggots on this forum. They intellectualize their faggotry but that doesn't make them any less of a faggot.

The place is infested with dysthymic apocalypticists too; they show their true face as they naturally gravitate towards idiot 'revolutionaries'.

Rudely wakened liberals: 'HEEELP! The wax statues of ill-defined political persuasion are coming to kill us, we all gonna dieeeeee!!11!1'

No, this was an act so absurdly mis-targeted it doesn't even terrify anyone except the personally involved.

And if there's one thing that I've learned from this, it is, that there are some extreme faggots on this forum. They intellectualize their faggotry but that doesn't make them any less of a faggot.

The place is infested with dysthymic apocalypticists too; they show their true face as they naturally gravitate towards idiot 'revolutionaries'.

Yay more anger, more emotions, and less rationalism again!

It's the socialists who support Islam in Europe. Anders went for the right target. He even tried killing the prime-minister! He was Norwegian, didn't like the way their government was running things, their government is socialist, so he attacked the socialists. What's mis-targeted about that? Would you have been happier if he would have thrown some molotov cocktails at a few mosques instead? The Islamists just want to keep their own culture, nothing wrong with that. The European socialists however want to destroy white culture. Guess who the real enemy is?

The Islamists just want to keep their own culture, nothing wrong with that. The European socialists however want to destroy white culture. Guess who the real enemy is?

This is the often overlooked truth of the "Islamification" of Europe: it's the Europeans that are making it happen, not the Muslims.  Lax immigration laws, coupled with a fear of appearing RACITS!!1!11, have caused nations to kowtow to foreign populations within their borders.  Hell, if I lived in the Middle East, and they said "do what you want to our country, we won't bat an eyelid", I'd go in for the kill too.  Life is War.


Yay more anger, more emotions, and less rationalism again!

It's the socialists who support Islam in Europe. Anders went for the right target. He even tried killing the prime-minister! He was Norwegian, didn't like the way their government was running things, their government is socialist, so he attacked the socialists. What's mis-targeted about that? Would you have been happier if he would have thrown some molotov cocktails at a few mosques instead? The Islamists just want to keep their own culture, nothing wrong with that. The European socialists however want to destroy white culture. Guess who the real enemy is?


Rationalism... damn, you don't even know the term if you inserted it there. And then you go to a straw man, alleging, through a pathetic sarcasm , that we are arguing ad misericordiam.

It's soooo stupid to think that killing some socialist teenagers in such isolated way will help in any way to end socialism, "ideas" don't die like that, if you have the proper historical understanding of mentalities. You have a deep misunderstanding of revolutions if you think that this is a genuine revolutionary act, because this will NOT provoke a sudden change in the structures of power. Neither Kaczynski or Tim McVeigh were revolutionaries, despite being "political", even less Anders with that shit of manifesto. These are politicized forms of violence, but have not the organizational constitution of revolutions. Perhaps myself and others are just wasting our time with you, I'm honestly thinking that you're an idiot, although you will hardly realize it. Not ad hominem, just the truth.


Yay more anger, more emotions, and less rationalism again!

It's the socialists who support Islam in Europe. Anders went for the right target. He even tried killing the prime-minister! He was Norwegian, didn't like the way their government was running things, their government is socialist, so he attacked the socialists. What's mis-targeted about that? Would you have been happier if he would have thrown some molotov cocktails at a few mosques instead? The Islamists just want to keep their own culture, nothing wrong with that. The European socialists however want to destroy white culture. Guess who the real enemy is?


Rationalism... damn, you don't even know the term if you inserted it there. And then you go to a straw man, alleging, through a pathetic sarcasm , that we are arguing ad misericordiam.

It's soooo stupid to think that killing some socialists will help in any way to end socialism, "ideas" don't die like that, if you have the proper historical understanding of mentalities. You have a deep misunderstanding of revolutions if you think that this is a genuine revolutionary act, because this will NOT provoke a sudden change in the structures of power. Neither Kaczynski or Tim McVeigh were revolutionaries, despite being "political", even less Anders with that shit of manifesto. These are politicized forms of violence, but have not the organizational constitution of revolutions. Perhaps myself and others are just wasting our time with you, I'm honestly thinking that you're an idiot, although you will hardly realize it. Not ad hominem, just the truth.

Yes you're wasting your time because if you keep calling me idiot/stupid/moron/etc then obviously you will not be having a rational discussion and never get your point across anyway. You're just trying to make yourself seem smarter than others but you have nothing substantial to say, if you did then you wouldn't have to go down the road you're taking. You must be very insecure to be defending your opinions like you do.

Anders Breivik did want people to follow his example. In that sense he is a martyr and a revolutionary. The OP did want to provoke the people on this forum and he succeeded. You took the bait and have effectively been trolled. Now go and hold hands together and cry for the loss of innocent socialist children, cry for the damage this has done to "your" cause, cry because someone somewhere sees things differently than you. You are truly misunderstood geniuses and the world owes you so much because you exist. There, feel better now?

You simply do not deserve comfort and happiness if you're unwilling to suffer and make sacrifices for them.

...by taking the easy way out and throwing a temper tantrum with an assault rifle, rather than doing the actual work, suffering, and self-sacrificing effort of having a positive effect on the world.

I'm not crying over the fact that this happened, but this guy didn't do anything admirable or useful.

The easy way out? Are you actually suggesting that sitting behind a pc all day is "the positive way bro" and going through the trouble of detonating bombs in a government building while personally killing 82 people is the "easy way"? That's the sort of bullshit that is rampant throughout this entire thread. It's almost as if people are jealous or afraid of someone actually getting some work done. Who the hell are you to pretend you're better than Anders? What, you have a blog that's read by maybe 20 people each week? You spoke in class about how multiculturalism fails and you managed to get some people's attention for 10 minutes? Or you have better taste in music? You're acting like fools.

Anders simply wanted to show white people that they can have their revolution too, just like 9/11 was a wake-up call to many muslims. Aawww, does a real revolution scare you? Chickenshit conformist like your parents...

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

There is no real revolution here, that would have taken creativity and the ability to work with other people.

 I really don't care that he killed anyone and I'm not condemning him, like I said, I'm not crying over it, and I don't think people have to follow a set of rules or be "peaceful" to make change. It's obvious that he was only a reactionary, not someone that actually gets things done.

"OBJECTIVELY GOOD" DOES NOT EXIST.  GO BACK TO NIHILISM 101.

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Objectivity is recognition of facts without clouding through judgment/perception.  How do you not know this?
At first I thought you were confusing the terms objective and intrinsic, but it appears you've amalgamated them.  Things can be determined to be objectively good as long as you have a coherent concept of good.  The values from which one judges actions are semi-arbitrary and not intrinsic.  I think this is an important distinction.

It's the socialists who support Islam in Europe. ... The European socialists ... want to destroy white culture. Guess who the real enemy is?
This is true, but it's also true of many Islamists (despite your protests otherwise).  Islam is inherently globalist in it's doctrines and dogma.  To paints them as guiltless bystanders is disingenuous.

Re: Martyr, patsy, or moron?
July 25, 2011, 03:32:07 PM
If I were to seek objective value in all of this I would look to what is good for those who seek an alternative to globalism and multiculturalism. I'm seeing nationalism delegitimized on the public stage as a result.

This lashing out happens right at a time when globalism and multiculturalism have gone out of their way to delegitimize themselves and public opinion everywhere was turning against each.

Now if it wasn't known who was responsible, then the usual suspects rather than a local Norwegian man would have happily taken the credit and the diversity industry could continue to get the ultimate blame. Using insane violence in order to erect a platform for one's reasonable political positions is not victory it is sabotage.