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ANUS criticism

Re: Audiofile and Megaupload
January 20, 2012, 05:18:44 PM
Which views don't you share?

Phoenix

Re: Audiofile and Megaupload
January 20, 2012, 05:49:33 PM
Which views don't you share?
I've mentioned it in the past. This thread isn't about me and archiving music files is no crime, carry on.

Re: Metal activism
January 20, 2012, 08:10:40 PM
New thread.

Where do we find the values debate?

Phoenix

Re: Metal activism
January 20, 2012, 11:32:59 PM
I've talked a lot about how I disagree with some of the DLA's views. That's (as far as I can tell) why I got banned at one point. But you've set the stage so nicely for me with this new thread, if you want to talk about my views anew I won't object.

Just let me know more specifically what you want to talk about, I'm not completely sure and I don't want to waste a bunch of paragraphs barking up the wrong tree.

Re: Metal activism
January 20, 2012, 11:34:18 PM
What are your views?  I didn't kick you off, so I'm out of the loop.  What are your views in regards to metal and how are they different than the anus-quo?

Phoenix

Re: Metal activism
January 21, 2012, 12:30:04 AM
OK, well first off, I'm not self-centered so I feel a bit strange participating in a thread about 'my' views and I participate in the hope that it evolves into a broader sort of discussion.

First, the DLA is my favourite metal website, if admittedly not because it's so good as much as because all the others are so awful. I find it surprising no other websites beyond the DLA have taken a stab at furthering high-level metal discourse, and that's a main reason why I recently created (The Metal Discourser (TMD). Furthermore I believe the DLA, while having done metal a great service, has simultaneously done metal a significant disservice, in the way it melds together high-level metal discourse and concepts that aren't innately metal-related such as nationalism, nihilism, etc. It's a disservice largely because the DLA is the only website around dealing with high-level metal discourse--for which the DLA cannot be faulted, but should be praised--and that as a result how it treats the subject carries that much more weight. I feel high-level metal discourse is now in the general metal population significantly associated with the DLA, as if there were no other way to go about it other than the DLA's, and I feel this association has frequently tainted the notion of high-level metal discourse in the minds of those metal listeners who disagree with the DLA's views or attitudes. Because, at the end of the day, I do hold the DLA in a fairly high regard, I must hold it responsible for failing to recognize the influence it has as the flag-bearer of high-level metal discourse and / or for deliberately confining the discourse to rigid frameworks (that serve its own ideological agenda).

TMD's statement of belief (as listed on the home page) is as follows:

Metal scholars agree that the field of metal music studies remains highly stigmatized in the academic world and is underdeveloped. An extremely wide and varied genre of music, among modern musical genres metal deals with some of the most profound subject matter such as philosophy, spirituality, occultism, social commentary, etc, corresponds with some of the most unique alternative lifestyles in its 'metalhead' listeners, expresses some of the most sonically and musically extreme sounds, and incorporates some of the highest levels of complexity and sophistication in terms of musical theory and composition. Metal demands to be examined more closely, from the spiritual or occult experiences of catharsis or transcendence many of its listeners report cultivating, to its applicability in a wide range of academic fields of study and a greater understanding of subcultures and the world we live in, to the age-old question of what makes some metal more psychologically healthy, 'authentic' or just downright better than other metal.

TMD isn't some shining beacon of hope or anything so dramatic, indeed the fact that the need for a website like TMD has existed much longer than TMD has, the fact that the niche has gone unfilled for so long, says far less about TMD's innovation than about the stagnation it seeks to overcome. Making full use of the internet's vast potential as an information technology and maintaining an atmosphere of open-mindedness, seriousness, integrity and clarity, TMD aims to help render the domain of metal in the marketplace of ideas free of bias and misinformation that truth may be free to rise to the surface.


On a personal level, when I think of metal I ignore anything to do with the lyrics or what the musicians intend to convey. For myself, based on my own views and personal experiences, metal is extremely spiritual in nature, more specifically in the vein of the left-hand path, which is the path I walk. For me it's all about how the music makes me feel, what concepts / sentiments it evokes, and I choose to listen to music that is congruent with, expresses, exalts and perhaps even expands on my personal spiritual paradigm. I created TMD's aggregator because I believe internet information aggregation of that sort is the way of the future, far more efficient than the traditional library, and I do plan to monetize TMD in the future (if possible). However I also maintain TMD because I wish to promote metal, because I wish to promote the left-hand path. I listen to metal purely for entertainment in a hedonistic way on occasion, as I'd submit that one cannot constantly maintain a heightened awareness amidst the sickness and perversity of modern society and that sometimes it's efficient to vent or 'slack off', but I have absolutely no desire to promote metal for its applications to mere entertainment. When I say in the statement of belief that "TMD aims to help render the domain of metal in the marketplace of ideas free of bias and misinformation that truth may be free to rise to the surface", I'm referring mainly to PMRC-type misinformation among non-metal-listeners and I want with TMD to help increase metal's respectability among the world's population in general--so that the magical left-hand path hymns can reach more ears and perhaps subtly nudge more minds.

This blog post (which I posted on this forum and received no responses to hehe) expands some more on my views about metal's spiritual potential.

Did a guy just get kicked out for nothing?
January 21, 2012, 12:32:49 AM
Did a guy get kicked out for nothing?

DLA retarded logic
January 21, 2012, 01:25:49 AM
There is an article saying that people who like rammstein supposedly would be better off listening to ministry;

I mean, what's the point? As the site stated classical music is light years ahead all that shit.

Rammstein, ministry, what's the difference.

This text does not take in consideration all the subtle differences like the time a person listened to a song which may make the person like more because of rememberance, the voice, the instruments, etc........... it's not that simple. A single detail may make a person like a band/song. No one cares if there is a more original, older, better band in similar style.

In fact what the hell kind of people is being aimed at that would change bands just because they read an article saying ministry is more original and older?


Re: Metal activism
January 21, 2012, 02:30:29 AM
The metal discourse you have offered as higher meaning is what DLA has already long since offered. Where you part company is in the self-indulgence portion which I don't believe was meant as part of this higher discourse, but more of an aside in personal disclosure which is fine. If there is more, it wasn't shown in the statement of belief.

My own take:

Nationalism and active nihilism among other unauthorized viewpoints are within the bounds of all that which is politically alienated. Metal music is essentially the transmissions of the politically alienated souls. Under the happy progress/salvation/freedom pretense is an expanding ocean of rottenness/corruption that our modern politics and mainstream religions are unwilling or unable to face. This is the overarching theme found in virtually all of the music. The propositions and conclusions of metal music are commonly politically out of bounds.

Re: Metal activism
January 21, 2012, 02:38:27 AM
Furthermore I believe the DLA, while having done metal a great service, has simultaneously done metal a significant disservice, in the way it melds together high-level metal discourse and concepts that aren't innately metal-related such as nationalism, nihilism, etc.

WRONG, these show up in metal.

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On a personal level, when I think of metal I ignore anything to do with the lyrics or what the musicians intend to convey. For myself, based on my own views and personal experiences, metal is extremely spiritual in nature, more specifically in the vein of the left-hand path, which is the path I walk. For me it's all about how the music makes me feel, what concepts / sentiments it evokes, and I choose to listen to music that is congruent with, expresses, exalts and perhaps even expands on my personal spiritual paradigm.

You don't walk on the left-hand path; you're a standard egomaniac liberal.

Thanks for the advertisement for your website however.

Did a guy get kicked out for nothing?

What makes you make this accusation?

Re: ANUS criticism
January 21, 2012, 02:51:26 AM
Is it a sign that I am still a N S B Fecal porn poser because I get excited whenever I see  the word "nationalism"?

Re: DLA retarded logic
January 21, 2012, 03:19:51 AM
Could you please make a better suggestion, or would you like the whole article removed. Do you have a link?

Re: ANUS criticism
January 21, 2012, 01:35:07 PM
I was thinking about this the other day... I reckon the site turned for the worse after it lost its black and red gore picture approach and became a popularity whore without anything of any significance to say back in... er... the early 2000s?

When was the last time you saw someone laugh on these forums? The whole place is a progenitor and promoter of the very things it claims to despise but in actuality manifests in numerous ways.

Back in the Black-Red days it used to be an honest, cool little obscure metal site that talked about some real quality stuff metal-wise. Now it takes itself way too seriously and comes across as whiny and pompous as a result. It is what it hates.

...

The metal section still beats everything else though, so thanks. I appreciate it Anus.

Hurr! Durr?
January 21, 2012, 02:20:45 PM
Also remember this:

http://tinyurl.com/olae

I'll just leave this here again, if Transcix or others want to volunteer...

I'm trying to help but its so complicated for my feeble mindhead. Woe. And you have a guy on there uploading the Human Centipede... ... ...really?

- Opeth albums
- Hentai Canine cum porno
- Some guy uploading his entire hard drive
- best of DO-WOP 50s hub

What the hell is DO-WOP? This hub needs a serious cleanout, hahahah.

Re: ANUS criticism
January 21, 2012, 02:33:28 PM
Really? I didn't join the forum for years because it was a circlejerk of idiots around a nucleus of good ideas. A couple of recent good threads were the impetus for me to post. What is being taken so seriously? The world in general? That's always been true.

Some real effort is being undertaken towards a reinvention. Amerika and Groin have turned into excellent websites (that I still disagree with from time to time, but over details).

If there is one persistent (minor!) complaint, it is Conservationist posting a news item, adding a few lines of deep old-man commentary to it and leaving it at that. It's all true, but sounds bitter and kills conversation. People don't bond over bitter political views. Especially when details are missed (or there are casual indictments and generalizations) which may not be of importance to the poster but are to the reader. Perhaps that is what you are identifying as "whiny and pompous"?