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Re: Movies
September 07, 2011, 01:32:38 AM
Some great films have already been mentioned, so I'll simply add these few:
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre
Begotten (art film; I may upload this in the near future)
Suspiria (Phenomena has a Metal soundtrack, but is an inferior film.  Tenebre is probably his best but is unrelated to Metal or Nihilism).
Taxi Driver (obvious one)
Martyrs

Dawn of the Dead has been mentioned, but I think the whole original trilogy should be seen.

Re: Movies
September 07, 2011, 03:17:35 AM
The Seventh Seal (for "only death is real")

Re: Movies
September 07, 2011, 04:01:20 AM
Umbrage - for crime, how could you forget The Godfather?

I'd also recommend some of the Death Wish movies. Charles Bronson takes crime into his own hands, as people once did, and perhaps should still do.

I didn't forget The Godfather, I'm just not a big fan of it. Most Godfather fans don't like Martin Scorsese's presentation of the mafia either. Goodfellas and Casino show the mafia in a much different light than the Godfather does, more like violent thugs than orderly gentlemen.

I shouldn't have forgotten Dirty Harry and Escape From Alcatraz though. Charles Bronson is cool but I think Clint is cooler, hehe.

Re: Movies
September 07, 2011, 03:50:08 PM
Umbrage - for crime, how could you forget The Godfather?

I'd also recommend some of the Death Wish movies. Charles Bronson takes crime into his own hands, as people once did, and perhaps should still do.

I didn't forget The Godfather, I'm just not a big fan of it. Most Godfather fans don't like Martin Scorsese's presentation of the mafia either. Goodfellas and Casino show the mafia in a much different light than the Godfather does, more like violent thugs than orderly gentlemen.

I shouldn't have forgotten Dirty Harry and Escape From Alcatraz though. Charles Bronson is cool but I think Clint is cooler, hehe.


Scorsese didn't direct the Godfather. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Godfather

I can see where you're coming from. They're two different lights which have been painted. I enjoy both, whereas Goodfellas is more direct (beat you in the face bloody with the butt of a pistol for hurting my wife), the Godfather is more subtle (have dinner with you while you verbally abuse me and my boss, then leave a horse head in your bed). Goodfellas is likely much more true to the real mafia way, but I can suspend my disbelief for the Godfather.

Re: Movies
September 07, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
Harry Brown and Until the Light Takes US

Re: Movies
September 08, 2011, 06:43:47 AM
Marathon Man inspired Slayer to write Angel Of Death.

Sorry bout that. I meant The Boys From Brazil from which Jeff Hanneman lifted the line "Feeding off the screams of the mutants he's creating"

It's been a while since I saw those films, got them mixed up.

Re: Movies
September 08, 2011, 12:51:08 PM
Most of the films mentioned here are accidental works of art at the most. Unless the director has a vision and exerts fascistic control over his crew in order to achieve it, the film is usually pointless. Sometimes it takes many films for the director express his vision coherently (i.e. Bergman, Kurosawa).

Re: Movies
September 08, 2011, 02:41:48 PM
Most of the films mentioned here are accidental works of art at the most.

Couldn't you say that about a lot of great metal? Still doesn't dull the edge.

Re: Movies
September 08, 2011, 03:59:46 PM
Agreed, I love Alien and Aliens, but Ridley Scott's and James Cameron's output since 1990 has been overblown Hollywood wastes of time. Something similar could be said for the creators of Blessed are the Sick, Legion and Symphonies of Sickness.

Re: Movies
September 08, 2011, 06:59:53 PM
Most of the films mentioned here are accidental works of art at the most. Unless the director has a vision and exerts fascistic control over his crew in order to achieve it, the film is usually pointless. Sometimes it takes many films for the director express his vision coherently (i.e. Bergman, Kurosawa).

All movies are shallow entertainment. Have I not made that clear, also in this thread? I don't even believe it's possible to make a movie that's truly art, the medium and industry around it simply don't allow it. There's obviously a big difference between four dudes recording an album aimed to sell about 1000 copies and a movie with a billion dollar budget. Comparing the "art" of movies to the art of metal is ludicrous, you can't expect a movie to be better than Hvis Lyset Tar Oss or Pure Holocaust.

So movies are just entertainment, big deal. If you want to tell us that you abstain from all forms of entertainment then please go ahead, it would entertain me.

I have no problems with people who say they liked a movie, just as I have no problems with somebody who tells a good joke. But people who treat movies like they are more than just entertainment... now that's when I start feeling very skeptical.

Re: Movies
September 09, 2011, 01:31:16 AM
Most of the films mentioned here are accidental works of art at the most. Unless the director has a vision and exerts fascistic control over his crew in order to achieve it, the film is usually pointless. Sometimes it takes many films for the director express his vision coherently (i.e. Bergman, Kurosawa).

All movies are shallow entertainment. Have I not made that clear, also in this thread? I don't even believe it's possible to make a movie that's truly art, the medium and industry around it simply don't allow it. There's obviously a big difference between four dudes recording an album aimed to sell about 1000 copies and a movie with a billion dollar budget. Comparing the "art" of movies to the art of metal is ludicrous, you can't expect a movie to be better than Hvis Lyset Tar Oss or Pure Holocaust.

So movies are just entertainment, big deal. If you want to tell us that you abstain from all forms of entertainment then please go ahead, it would entertain me.

I have no problems with people who say they liked a movie, just as I have no problems with somebody who tells a good joke. But people who treat movies like they are more than just entertainment... now that's when I start feeling very skeptical.


True. I personally like Dexter and Inception for entertainment. Silence of the Lambs and Red Dragon were pretty cool. Star Wars is fun to revisit from time to time.

Re: Movies
September 10, 2011, 11:13:20 AM
"We smoke this marijuana in your honor, Satan." I just finished watching this. It's not often a movie scene will actually disturb me even slightly, but this one succeeded towards the end. It's got a lot of the hallmarks of an underground B-movie, but the unnerving atmosphere and insistent grittiness is supreme. Iron Maiden t-shirts, Ozzy tattoos, FREEDOSESFREEDOSESFREEDOSES, ritual sacrifice in a graveyard, a brutal murder carried out by a vengeful psychopathic metalhead, and a ridiculous number of memorable quotes for an under-20-minute movie round out the entertainment value. Although there's no actual death or black metal I could discern, apart from one rather annoying song played on a boombox in the middle of a forest, death heads will instantly recognize several of the shots of medieval engravings. Also of note is that this is based on an actual person, Ricky Kasso. This was made by Jim van Bebber, better known for The Manson Family and Deadbeat at Dawn, the latter of which is also a great ride and was effectively sampled by Impetigo on "I Work for the Streetcleaner." "Satan approves."

River's Edge is another, feature-length, fictionalization of a true murder, committed by Anthony Jacques Broussard. This one contains a few well-known actors (including Crispin Glover at his best) and little violence. In contrast to My Sweet Satan, this aims to be a more pensive movie exploring the disenchanted attitude of youth living in a time when social values are disappearing quickly, if not already entirely absent. A kid murders another kid, tells his friends, and nobody seems to care - or at least, does anything about it. Lost and confused products of the baby boomer generation, showing a desire to find meaning in a world that they know has none inherent. This one also has a more recognizably metal soundtrack, although it's hardly a focus of the film. Regardless, the proposed ties between nihilism and metal are very palpable. Disclaimer: contains Keanu Reeves, although this was before he got super famous and annoying; he doesn't even get a mention in the trailer. Even bigger disclaimer: ignore the music in the trailer, which makes this seem like a goofy comedy. It's a very somber film with nary a trace of joy.

Re: Movies
September 11, 2011, 11:20:22 AM
Most of the films mentioned here are accidental works of art at the most. Unless the director has a vision and exerts fascistic control over his crew in order to achieve it, the film is usually pointless. Sometimes it takes many films for the director express his vision coherently (i.e. Bergman, Kurosawa).

All movies are shallow entertainment. Have I not made that clear, also in this thread? I don't even believe it's possible to make a movie that's truly art, the medium and industry around it simply don't allow it. There's obviously a big difference between four dudes recording an album aimed to sell about 1000 copies and a movie with a billion dollar budget. Comparing the "art" of movies to the art of metal is ludicrous, you can't expect a movie to be better than Hvis Lyset Tar Oss or Pure Holocaust.

So movies are just entertainment, big deal. If you want to tell us that you abstain from all forms of entertainment then please go ahead, it would entertain me.

I have no problems with people who say they liked a movie, just as I have no problems with somebody who tells a good joke. But people who treat movies like they are more than just entertainment... now that's when I start feeling very skeptical.


Maybe I'm on the wrong track but if metal is so far beyond entertainment, why think of cheap entertaining films that (kind of) capture the spirit of metal? Art is a means of communicating profound ideals, music or image is the medium so by that reasoning I don't see why a film couldn't be better anyway, it comes down to the art itself. Personally I think the epic films like RAN (Akira Kurosawa) or Andrei Rublev (Andrei Tarkovsky) communicate on a deep level which the metal listener could appreciate. Also the films of Ingmar Bergman (Persona, Hour of the wolf, The seventh seal, Through a glass darkly) are worthy of seeking out.


Re: Movies
September 14, 2011, 08:56:24 PM
Blade Runner needs a mention. Repo Man too, which is mostly just plain goofy, but is totally metal in parts (and the admins seem to love it).

Re: Movies
September 17, 2011, 07:10:02 AM
Ken Russell's "The Devils" (1971).