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Re: Your choice of Holocausts

Re: Your choice of Holocausts
September 16, 2011, 12:36:45 AM
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Take your pick:


    Obvious. A bunch of Nazis and their inflammatory leader rail against you, blame problems on you, call for your extermination, and then begin a slow encroachment on you with laws that scream out YOU ARE NOT WANTED HERE. Eventually, they invade the rest of Europe and help local populations enslave you. The disadvantage of this is that it is brutal, but the advantage is that you can see it coming from miles away, which is why the net contribution of Hitler to Jewishness was (a) an increased awareness of the need for Jewish nationalism a.k.a. Zionism and (b) a giant IQ filter that slaughtered off the stupid, oblivious, insane and impoverished Jews while sending the wealthy and intelligent to America, the UK and Israel.

    Cryptic. Everyone talks about tolerance, peace, love and keeping you alive UNTIL it is discovered that you are (a) rich and (b) having a bad relationship with your neighbors, who happen to be brown, e.g. objects of pity and symbols of altruism for those in the West. Suddenly, you are the Nazis in their minds, and they will not stop at anything short of forcing Israel into compromising positions, while discriminating against Jews at home.



You think I'm full of it? It's what happened in the Soviet Union. Lenin and Trotsky were Jewish; 40% of the Soviet high command were Jewish. A few years later, they were all gone, many dead. The social fashion that is liberalism shifted against them once they were seen to be a privileged population, e.g. a successful one. The same thing has been noticed in the West.

Liberal resentment knows no bounds. It has one agenda: equality, by punishing the successful and giving to the unsuccessful. Reversal of evolution. Decay. That's all.


    Republicans jumped on the Democrats’ Tuesday loss of the congressional seat given up by disgraced U.S. Rep. Anthony Weiner as a sign of eroding Jewish support for President Barack Obama and his party.

    New York’s heavily Democratic 9th Congressional District, centered on Brooklyn and Queens, is one of the most Jewish in the nation, and the Democratic candidate was an Orthodox Jew.

    "This Republican win in an overwhelmingly Democrat district is a significant indicator of the problem that President Obama has in the Jewish community,” Republican Jewish Coalition executive director Matt Brooks said after Republican Bob Turner won Tuesday’s special election, an outcome that few had predicted a couple of months ago. - CNN



Jewish voters have figured out the obvious:

THEY HATE US

They have realized that while Hitler was a hateful goon, he was at least an honest one.

Not so with liberals.

Smile, stab in back. Repeat.

And they do it all with a justification: "Well, if Jews are rich, and Palestinians are brown, then the Jews must have oppressed dem Palestinians!"

Liberals aren't very bright. They are the party of the prole. And the prole is good at nothing, except blaming other people for his problems.

All nationalists should stand with Israel and the Jewish people. Defend them against this slow but certain indirect genocide. Support them in their quest for a nationalist state. The rights we want are the rights they want and we can help each other. Maybe we can even mend the scars of WWII, and finally bury that fratricidal fucking war.

To the author of "Your choice of Holocausts", as I don't want to post serious data in such comment section as you got there.
It's a very weak reasoning complete with americanized simplified "I don't care" knowledge about history. You are in serious need of data to improve accuracy of your conclussions. I feel same sensation as when encountered about metal by a total outsider who know only mainstream, facile perception of phenomenon or listens to modern simple garbage without essence but with lot of imagery. It's also a grotesque situation when you insult other nationalists either by your ignorance or typical western carelessness, suggesting, that they should made amputation of quite recent memory. Memory which is crucial not only for every sane person but especially for those seeking to build upon tradition. I know that history of your country don't combine with Jews in such drastic way, but there are many others. You should remember and know something about them if you are also addressing to them such calls as in the article. If you care of course.

Your reasoning about only early communistic cadre being Jewish is wrong, as well as supposed reason of assassinations between them. Also calling stalinism, responsible for many purges later on, liberal is a dubious interpretation. There are also other than materialistic or other populist (proletari's despise against those better than them) reasons for antisemitism. They were hostile, alien and disloyal. Parasitic, because they were working toward their own particular goals on organisms of other nations. Finally - genocidal when encountered the local elites:

One Jewish elite was often slaughtered by other (Zinowjev and Kamenev were also Jewish), as in case of mainly Jewish communists dropped on parachutes in 1941 near occupated Warsaw to form a competitive to sovereign, protected by invading Red Army, government, which gained legitimacy when West short-sightedly traded this part of the world to Stalin. While Polish communistic party was before war illegal in Poland and totally marginal (Surprised? I know that common perception of Eastern Europe is that they were pro-communistic proles. People hated them or was at least suspicious - probably remembering Battle of Warsaw 1920, to which they found enough motivation to win), Jews got legal, relevant parliamentary force. They also got legal, mainly socialistic but also communistic and zionist organizations and parties. Certain Polish nationalists got programs similar to early German plans, focusing on deportation Jews to place where they could be themselves. Of course for most of them it was an example of unacceptable antisemitism and, having proper apparatus, they opposed such initiatives. It's worth to mention, that their communities also breed faster back then, which brings on understandable ethnic anxiety of Poles/Slavs in newly reborn Poland. Those Jews were cheerful and joyous when 17 September 1939 Red Army attacked nation where they had such good conditions to live and one can hear them saying then, that it's their people coming. Before war Poland was a center of world's Jewry and was famous for its tolerance/blindness, Jews called it their place to live. Also through history Poland gave shelter to Jews banished from other countries many times. From Russia after Great war, and for the last time in 1939, from Germany, right before World War II). Then holocaust of remaining Polish elites begun as well as force fed propaganda and famous social sovietization which last for almost half century. However you must know, that through first years after war, remnants of old society was reluctant to new authorities. Similar to Russians - it wasn't that happy prole revolution as it is often carelessly presented. Maybe because uneducated people were stubborn or simply suspicious, communism was still weak and uncertain in Russia, even after 1917. In Poland terror, deceit, and Russian occupation finally established new order. Then, a new generation was created. Made by institutions of which you can knew only from Orwellian 1984 (you know that when we say about todays American or liberal/secular fascism or totalitarianism it's merely a silly word play compared to regimes behind red curtain), by new, one and only allowed ideology of Marx and Lenin interweaved with cult of Stalin. A generation comprised of people either truly committed to ideology or simply cynical and opportunistic and of those living in fear and apathy if they choose to doubt in sovereignty of Poland and rejected official ideology. Also ethnically it's a wreck to a point when nobody knows who is who.

You made your statement like someone still in power to distribute privileges to minorities, while you're not:

To this day Jews fights against every form of Polish nationalism and tradition. It's totally preventive, because believe it or not, despite deceptively created, popular image of this country, nationalism is non existent as a significant mindset let alone political movement, unless you want to mention some marginal, reactionary and embarrassing radicals who are undoubtedly convenient as a role models to distort overall image of nationalism or conservatism. It's a divided society, defined by path choosen by their post war ancestors (plus modern, liberal products of rabid westernization to which future belongs I'm afraid). And since Jews got their influences and creates various pressures, they doesn't have to be militant, they can just resort to passive aggression now to create moral standards of what is right and what is wrong. Because nationalism consists also of tradition and history of people - it's hard to forget  their double standard, but it's easy to understand why their nationalism can't be similar to that promoted by Anus - because their is more realistic, darvinistic and hence often bloody. In some sense they just know better and you are, with such stance as in the article, merely a descendant of European liberal tradition of which modern world is logical consequence. Let's be honest - you propose some liberal, western and compromised form of nationalism while Jews got more proper and effective version. Of course forbidden if someone is against them on any level as can be seen by their anti-national policy everywhere outside of Israel. So I don't buy your kumbaya stance on nationalism, and i think it can be harmful. There are animosities between nations analogical to animosity between individuals. I hate some of them either because of their actions (often it's connected to concepts of what is proper, just and desired in my culture) or I "hate" their presence near me because they are too incompatible with me (again it's about standards). Never because of envy or because they are successful on some level. On the other hand I know that you probably know all of that but tries to promote nationalism "with human face", which would be beneficial to all, but I think that this time it should be truth and only truth from the beginning, without some sort of catch revealed later.

They are overtly hostile to my country. They are opposing every will of others to have nationalistic state. I can't have nationalistic country because of either direct actions of their moral authorities or because of pervasiveness of ideas they were stressing so much over the years. It doesn't mater if it would mean mutual cooperation between our nations. It's simply not their policy for others, because it's better to have net of influences than clear physical division. I can't have it because it could obstruct their influence over it and that's precisely against the policy of Israel toward rest of the world: To concentrate there foreign profits. Germans for example, with Siemens and few other also done that quite recently. It's just those double standards which prohibits others from creating goals based on national identity, by recalling moral imperative (distant but still, derivation from Jews own religion), and misconceptions of justice, lined with disdain for others written in their cannons. Everyone seem to disdain revenge, but of course in case of Israel it's justified, as a form understandable revenge or righteous retribution for holocaust. It also weakened our ties with reality as can be seen by condition at which West seems to be. Some assume that they are doing it to prevent violence against them, that they got enough of persecution through ages. Do they really believe that, for example some weak, small European countries, if nationalized, will attack Near East atomic power subsidized by USA and UK? Not to mention that most of those countries will be dependant on one level or another to members of their diaspora? I seriusly doubt that. It's just obvious that ethnocentrism is permitted only for them. So the rights we want are same rights they want, for sure, but they already have them and decided that we aren't supposed to. It's of course not within my power, but how can one gave more support for Israel as a nationalist state (they ALREADY got it, on they own terms, yet I, as I presented in my historical argument, thanks to their, also most recent "support", can't) if THEY don't want to be there?

If I wrote something historically inaccurate - go on correct me. Let's discuss.

Re: Your choice of Holocausts
April 29, 2012, 02:45:09 AM
Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.

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As opposed to Eastern European nations, the Russians did not settle the score with their Stalinist past.

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."

Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.

Stalin's close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao's terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.

Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html