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Porn stars - Do you respect them?

Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 18, 2011, 03:32:01 PM
Porn stars plunge balls deep into a philosophy that few people are strong enough to handle.. we all know it..  nihilism. While it may take Schopenhauer years to think up and write one of his bleak books, a porn star dives into rock bottom raw and unprepared as fast as the first cumshot flies at her face.

There are some that are happy as fuck to be there. For instance Gianna Michaels is probably the only female to ever "fuck" a man, rather than being fucked. Loves the dick. Sunny disposition for a porn star as well. This is an example of a person who straight up doen'st care and revels in hedonism. But for every one of her there's a sad looking thing that looks like she has bills to pay, 4 kids back home and an 8 ball of coke she is craving.
Male porn stars are treated more like props and have less at stake. They could easily re-enter the world even with their past hanging over their head. You still have to wonder about the mind of Max Hardcore or those two white dudes who ram women's throats until the vomit pours out on ghettogaggers.
efukt.com has given us a pretty good view into the world of human deviancy
What to make of it?

Re: Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 18, 2011, 04:00:49 PM
I don't respect or disrespect pornstars any more or less than other professions. I don't understand society's fixation with their morality. Most people aren't that serious about marriage and relationships anyway. In a lot of ways, I like how pornstars aren't hypocritical. They are honest with their hedonism and embrace it. That's not my personal solution to hedonism, but I certainly harbor no ill will towards pornstars. I'm sure there are plenty of swell people in the industry, just as there are plenty of shitheads.

Re: Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 18, 2011, 04:37:35 PM
They cheapen sex and therefore human relationships. I know most today do not place any value on sex, much less regard it as sacred, but I'm a different breed.

I've lived in various places in the American southwest, including the porn centers of Los Angeles and Las Vegas, and I attended the AdultCon in Las Vegas shortly after I turned 18. Most of the actors and actresses were ten dollars short of a dimebag, especially the women. A few of the older ones were rather cordial and didn't seem completely brain dead, but I could tell a life of what is essentially prostitution had taken it's toll on them and their ability to relate with other people.

Spectrum, you've talked about how you lament being looked down upon for your age, but the way you play devils advocate is very adolescent. I know that you most likely realize people who turn to prostitution invariably have mental issues of one variety or another. If you don't believe me, ask yourself, would you approve if your daughter, wife, mother or sister chose such a path? If your answer is no, then you are contradicting yourself.

Re: Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 18, 2011, 04:44:59 PM
Not much to respect there. I don't really think someone used as jackoff material deserves that much respect anyways. I disapprove of a lot of porn (on the grounds that stuff like furry porn or shit eating is just ridiculously deplorable), but I don't see anything wrong with your standard man on woman porn. Pornography in some form has been around for centuries - its only in modern times via the Intertard that every weird pasty fuck with a fetish for pissing on peoples' feet has a community of footpissers that commiserate with him/her and make them feel normal. That shouldn't be the case. These are FETISHES, and they are not normal.

Every once in a while there is a female porn star that is genuinely attractive and has had little or no cosmetic surgery. Makes me wonder why they choose the porn industry.

Re: Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 19, 2011, 12:41:08 AM
They cheapen sex and therefore human relationships.

No. People cheapen sex and human relationships, which is EXACTLY why porn is so popular and lucrative.


Spectrum, you've talked about how you lament being looked down upon for your age, but the way you play devils advocate is very adolescent.

Lamentation?? Don't be so dramatic. Also, I'm not playing devil's advocate. Porn is just a result of humanity's hypocrisy (a form of incompetence brought on by poor will or understanding).

If you don't believe me, ask yourself, would you approve if your daughter, wife, mother or sister chose such a path? If your answer is no, then you are contradicting yourself.

What does this have to do with the current situation? The OP asked us if we personally respect them, and I personally have a neutral position. My mother and sister are conservative, and I'm not having a wife or daughter. I don't play imagination games, sorry--I'm a bit too old for that. Realistically, porn actresses and actors do not bother me or my family, and the porn industry is successful due to mankind's current problems with relationships. It's just an effect, really.

On another note, I wouldn't want my mother or sister being public school teachers. That doesn't mean that I disrespect school teachers. It is the same with porn: I wouldn't want my family members being involved, but I don't actively disrespect the porn industry. Both the porn industry and public school system are problems erected by our collective lack of concern; they aren't moral issues to be tackled directly.

In short, your imaginary scenario is flawed. It may work for you, but on an objective level, it's not very useful.

I know that you most likely realize people who turn to prostitution invariably have mental issues of one variety or another.

You are projecting again. No, I do not know this. Please direct me to the study from where this information concerning the correlation between prostitution and mental illness comes.

Re: Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 19, 2011, 12:28:19 PM
No. People cheapen sex and human relationships, which is EXACTLY why porn is so popular and lucrative.
Pornographic actors and actresses are people. The fact that sex was already cheapened by their society means nothing, they chose to champion this lack of value in a very active way, showing their inability to see the bigger picture.

Lamentation?? Don't be so dramatic. Also, I'm not playing devil's advocate. Porn is just a result of humanity's hypocrisy (a form of incompetence brought on by poor will or understanding).
If porn is a result of humanitys hypsocrisy, surely those who have such an active role in its propagation do not see the bigger picture.

What does this have to do with the current situation? The OP asked us if we personally respect them, and I personally have a neutral position. My mother and sister are conservative, and I'm not having a wife or daughter. I don't play imagination games, sorry--I'm a bit too old for that. Realistically, porn actresses and actors do not bother me or my family, and the porn industry is successful due to mankind's current problems with relationships. It's just an effect, really.
If you don't "play imagination games", how did you come to the conclusion you wouldn't want your family becoming school teachers?

On another note, I wouldn't want my mother or sister being public school teachers. That doesn't mean that I disrespect school teachers. It is the same with porn: I wouldn't want my family members being involved, but I don't actively disrespect the porn industry. Both the porn industry and public school system are problems erected by our collective lack of concern; they aren't moral issues to be tackled directly.

In short, your imaginary scenario is flawed. It may work for you, but on an objective level, it's not very useful.
You may not disrespect school teachers themselves but you disrespect their decision to become school teachers. Otherwise there would be no reason to object to family members becoming school teachers.

You are projecting again. No, I do not know this. Please direct me to the study from where this information concerning the correlation between prostitution and mental illness comes.
Haha, ok dude. You got me, there is no such study yet. Lets take a field trip to downtown Las Vegas and interview a couple hundred prostitutes and see how many of them seem mentally sound to you.

All the girls I knew in High School who became prostitutes, pornographic actresses, or otherwise whores all had mental issues, a common thread seems to be fatherly issues.

Next time you're at school, have a casual conversation with the loosest girls (those who place least value on sex). That can be the study.

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December 19, 2011, 01:34:12 PM
Don't call these people mentally unsound, true or untrue. It's too easy with questions of morality: Lets call them crazy! These actions may simply not be a part of their moral paradigm, some may (pure conjecture) dislike their vocation, but would be unable to come up with any "real" reason why it was "bad". Others would accept it with open arms, seeing nothing wrong with it at all; perhaps not realizing the value of chastity. It doesn't matter that much. If a society's own values are degraded, you will naturally have individuals who don't care or understand. It's simply not relevant to them, it seems idiotic to them, unneccessary.

They're certainly not worthy of respect if you place store in more chaste values. Pornstars especially, they do indeed champion their lack of those particular values through their medium.

Re: Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 19, 2011, 04:22:51 PM
Haha! No. Just no.

Re: Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 19, 2011, 05:03:21 PM
Hedonism is enslavement, not freedom.

Re: Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 19, 2011, 05:13:13 PM
All the girls I knew in High School who became prostitutes, pornographic actresses, or otherwise whores all had mental issues, a common thread seems to be fatherly issues.

Okay, then what kind of mental illness did they have? Tell me the disorders and/or syndromes associated.

Additionally, shutting down the porn industry won't solve anything. I'll tell you again: its success is due to a Western problem with relationships. I don't care if you believe it or not, but others reading this need to know how society works. Most problems are the result of some larger issue.


Next time you're at school, have a casual conversation with the loosest girls (those who place least value on sex). That can be the study.

Either you are trolling or you have no clue as to how studies work.

You may not disrespect school teachers themselves but you disrespect their decision to become school teachers. Otherwise there would be no reason to object to family members becoming school teachers.

LOL. Wrong. I don't disrespect their decision. I'm fine with people becoming school teachers. I simply do not want my family involved. You don't know what I think, so stop trying. You're failing miserably.

Re: Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 20, 2011, 04:53:36 PM
Okay, then what kind of mental illness did they have? Tell me the disorders and/or syndromes associated.

Additionally, shutting down the porn industry won't solve anything. I'll tell you again: its success is due to a Western problem with relationships. I don't care if you believe it or not, but others reading this need to know how society works. Most problems are the result of some larger issue.

You don't have to be a psychologist to know when someone isn't mentally healthy. When you are a non-asperger ("neurotypical")
 you can sense other peoples mental disposition after having a few conversations with them and seeing them everyday as one does in High School.

And yes, of course I know shutting down the porn industry won't solve the bigger issue, I didn't know that was ever even in question. As I understand it we were talking about the people who participate in that industry and their respectability.

Either you are trolling or you have no clue as to how studies work.

Yep, this is all big joke and I'm gay and have no wiener.

Excuse me for insulting the holy name of science by using the name of one of their sacred rituals incorrectly. Replace study with some other word that means "an activity that helps you understand something" and the same thing applies. You sound like someone who has been around relatively conservative women their whole life and hasn't met many loose women, I think it would be helpful for you to meet a few.

LOL. Wrong. I don't disrespect their decision. I'm fine with people becoming school teachers. I simply do not want my family involved. You don't know what I think, so stop trying. You're failing miserably.

You don't want your family involved with teaching for what reason? Is it because it would be a bad decision?

You never told me whether or not you would want your family doing porn. I can imagine you wouldn't unless you're insane. Why don't you want your mom, sister, or girlfriend taking dicks in every orifice on camera? Is it because it's disgraceful? Surely an act that is disgraceful is also worthy of disrespect.

Re: Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 20, 2011, 04:57:30 PM
We obviously aren't on the same page, Dinaric. I hereby refuse to answer your questions.

Re: Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 20, 2011, 11:10:27 PM
Prostitution in Western culture is the reduction of sexual activity to a collision of meat and brief sating of base desires. Sex can be part of a process that enlivens its participants and awakens them to the subtle realms of power that are the base level of reality. Generally, prostitution does the inverse of this.

Pornography is even more pitiful than prostitution because it is so heavily mediated. What was already a dead act is further deadened by the fact that it is vicariously consumed through media.

Do you respect porn stars? Do you respect people who work in a slaughter-house? Do you respect fast-food workers? These are all similar professions.

Re: Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 20, 2011, 11:17:29 PM
I would hold those two in infinitely higher esteem. Especially if they were potential pornstars.

Re: Porn stars - Do you respect them?
December 21, 2011, 02:56:48 AM
I am one.