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What were the origins of death metal?

Annihilaytorr

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 22, 2006, 02:06:54 PM
Beyond the Unholy Grave is from the original demos as well.

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 22, 2006, 04:09:09 PM
I would add these. Of course, many of them debatable...

1984 - Slaughter (Can) - Meatcleaver Demo
1984 - Slaughter (Can) - Bloody Karnage Demo
1985 - Poison (Ger) - Bestial Death demo
1985 - Thanatos (Hol) - Speed Kills Demo †
1985 - Insanity (US) - Demo/Rehearsal
1985 - Slaughter (Can) - Surrender or Die Demo
1985 - Master - Unreleased album
1985 - Loudblast - Behind the Dark Mist Demo
1985 - Mutilator - Grave Desecration demo
1986 - Devastation (chicago) - Creation of Ripping Death demo
1986 - Slaughter (Can) - Nocturnal Hell EP
1986 - Protector - Demo
1986 - Poison (Ger) - Awakening of The Dead Demo
1986 - Thanatos (Hol) - Rebirth Demo
1986 - Obscurity (Swe) - Ovations to Death Demo
1986 - Agressor (Fra) - The Merciless Onslaught Demo
1986 - Sadus - Death To Posers demo
1986 - Loudblast - Ultimate Violence Demo
1987 - Devastation (chicago) - demo
1987 - Azagthoth - Shredded Flesh demo
1987 - Agressor (Fra) - Satan's Sodomy Demo
1987 - Obscurity (Swe) - †Damnations Pride Demo
1987 - Thanatos - The Day Before Tomorrow Demo
1987 - Pestilence - Dysentery demo
1987 - Protector - Misanthropy ep
1987 - Pestilence - The Penance demo
1987 - Necrophagia - Season of the Dead
1987 - Ripping Corpse - Death warmed over demo
1987 - Panic (Bra) - Rotten Church
1987 - Sadus - Certain Death demo
1987 - Massacra - Legion of Torture Demo
1988 - Massacra - Final Holocaust Demo

maybe...
1985 - Destruction - Infernal Overkill

Annihilaytorr

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 24, 2006, 02:57:50 AM
Yea, Master's unreleased album changed the face of DM when it was released.

Vajra

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 24, 2006, 03:23:51 AM
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1987 - Mayhem - Deathcrush demo


I was under the impression that Mayhem's 'Pure Fucking Armageddon' (or whatever their earliest recording is) was released in 1983, but MetalForDummies dates it 1986. I haven't heard it myself, but my mistaken knowledge caused me to note its absence from the list.

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 24, 2006, 04:58:44 AM
Mayhem's "Pure Fucking Armageddon" demo was recorded in 1986 and "Deathcrush" the following year. Vajra, whatever gave you the idea PFA was from 1983? The official mayhem website (where you can download the PFA demo) also states that PFA is from 1986.

euronymous

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 24, 2006, 06:50:30 AM
Maybe 1983 is familiar to him not for PFA but because it is the year Mayhem was founded.

And yes, it was recorded "anno 1986 C.E. in Hell"


Vajra

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 24, 2006, 09:20:44 AM
Yeah, that was it.

I'll check out the Mayhem website.

Annihilaytorr

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 24, 2006, 09:47:37 AM
I heard it once and it left no impression on me, and is seldom if ever mentioned for evolutionary importance. This is why Deathcrush is mentioned instead, as its impact was gigantic and well documented.  The only band who's influence overall is questionable that appears on the list I presented is Savage Death. I decided to include them because it is as far as I know the first Death Metal band in New York.

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 24, 2006, 03:58:24 PM
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Yea, Master's unreleased album changed the face of DM when it was released.


The unreleased album is another version of these songs. Their real 1985 output was Deathstrike, the CD with the unfortunate title...

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 24, 2006, 08:51:27 PM
first atheist demo was recorded in 1987 i belive...

(sorry about my english :-[ ),
p.d.[off - topic]: why the name "death metal"? i use to belive it was because of the band "death"...  

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 24, 2006, 11:03:27 PM
The first 'Atheist' demo was in 1985 if we were to include the one they released under their former incarnation - namely R.A.V.A.G.E.

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 25, 2006, 07:14:01 AM
yes thats true, but was R.A.V.A.G.E making death, or just speed/thrash metal?? (its a question!!!)

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 25, 2006, 08:26:11 AM
I dont really think you can pinpoint an exact origin of death metal. If you listen to bands like early morbid angel or death the music is really just aggressive thrash with harsh vocals. In my mind true death metal is something that for the most part leaves out the thrash tendencies , something like infester or morpheus descends. Death Metal only became what it was through a very gradual evolution, there was no one moment where all of a sudden death metal came into existence. However, I think that all death metal owes something to slayer for their use of atonal riffs and focus on aggression rather then melody.

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 26, 2006, 10:31:22 AM
Atonal riffs, focus on agression rather than melody... Sounds like hardcore punk.

Annihilaytorr

Re: What were the origins of death metal?
October 26, 2006, 12:49:41 PM
Yea, Morbid Angel, Infester and Amorphis have no focus on melody...

Nordic - I don't think anyone here implied there was no evolution in Death Metal. Rather, the point of this thread obviously is to track its evolution. I do think the very first band that truly separated from Speed/thrash metal is Necrovore, with close approximations simultaneously evolving in Brazil around the same time. However, most all of the initial thrust of Floridian bands always retained(at least on their credible work) more direct Speed Metal characteristics than bands like Incantation, Morpheus Descends, Immolation or most of Scandinavia, and I don't think that makes them any less Death Metal. On that note, one might be able to construct an argument for Amon -Feasting the Beast Ė 1987. I donít know the real significance of that release so I didnít include it.

Christian - you failed to grasp the Master joke. You sure you ain't a tRolL!1?