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Becoming a Priest

Re: Becoming a Priest
January 20, 2012, 10:19:25 PM
...I was raised Catholic...
As was I. Even now, I consider myself an 'agnostic Catholic'; I still live with my family and they expect me to go to church, so I do. Most of the doctrines are downright silly (transubstantiation, the resurrection story in general), but the heart of the faith is still Perennialist, and the congregation is composed of compassionate, intelligent people whom recognize and reject prevailing modernist philosophies, like hedonism, individualism, and minimalism.

I wish HomunŠulus would have explained what exactly he intended to change about the religion and how he intended to do so. I respect his intentions, but the endeavor seems foolhardy.  Just as other posters have mentioned, Christianity wouldn't be Christianity without Christ and the New Testament, which puts forth many ideas inimical to ANUSian standpoints like such as racialism, eugenics, etc. Rewriting the Bible is impractical and would cause a shitstorm.  Imagine if a liberal hipster decided to infiltrate Hessiandom and completely invert our beliefs, twisting Prozak's words to preach egalitarianism, miscegenation, and the transcendental majesty of indie rock. He would be promptly sodomized, as will HomunŠulus when they figure out he has ulterior motives.

Re: Becoming a Priest
January 20, 2012, 10:39:33 PM
It would not require you to change the bible.  As a Catholic, you should know most of the practices already practiced are not in there.  Religious culture exists independent of sacred texts.

Re: Becoming a Priest
January 20, 2012, 10:48:44 PM
The fact is we attack a straw man version of Christianity!

1. Read the Church fathers first, along with Guenon, Schuon and Tomberg.
2. Return to the Bible. Reconsider Christ:
3. Meditate on this:

"The LOGOS is at the centre of everything. The LOGOS is identified with the reason, the divine
reason that is manifest in all object as well as the relations that these objects have among one another.
It is the maniestation of the divine spirit in all objects. Logos means word, and it also refers to the
structure of all being, it refers to the manifestation of Christ as the second person of the Trinity, that is
to say the image of the father, the father contemplating his own knowledge. That contemplation, that image that
the father contemplates must also be divine, and therefore it is Logos, it is the externalized strucutre of the
Universe. Another way of putting that, and this goes back to Plotinus and the Ancient Greek, Neo-Platonic school,
it also refers to the worlds soul. Some people also refer to this as using the feminine Greek word- Sophia. or wisdom"

-Matt Johnson, Orthodox Priest-





Re: Becoming a Priest
January 20, 2012, 10:51:57 PM
I think the problem here is that people take Christianity too seriously.

There is one world, and one spiritual truth, and all religions are symbolic depictions of that truth.

Follow the truth and then put it back into the voices that once described it.

If you took paganism in structure, and put it into another form, would it still be paganism?

If it would, you may be clinging to appearance and not structure...

Neo-Nazism and Anti-Christianity got nowhere because their simple ideals were coopted by the herd.

Re: Becoming a Priest
January 20, 2012, 11:23:02 PM
As was I. Even now, I consider myself an 'agnostic Catholic'; I still live with my family and they expect me to go to church, so I do.

I never saw a point of disappointing my mom, so I always go to church on Christmas when I am in town visiting.

I wonder if I am the only one who has ever taken the Eucharist, said amen, all the while fantasizing about burning the place down?

Re: Becoming a Priest
January 20, 2012, 11:26:08 PM
I never saw a point of disappointing my mom, so I always go to church on Christmas when I am in town visiting.


I take it all back.  Maybe Christianity isn't that metal after all.

Re: Becoming a Priest
January 21, 2012, 12:20:30 AM
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Re: Becoming a Priest
January 21, 2012, 12:33:51 AM
I think the problem here is that people take Christianity too seriously.

Agreed, but they take the dumbed down version of Christiantiy too seriously- and suppose it is the cause of everything wrong with the world.

If they took Christianity seriously enough to understand what you are saying Conservationist, their hearts might indeed be lightened, their vision cleared, their ego humbled.

Re: Becoming a Priest
January 21, 2012, 12:33:52 AM
I never saw a point of disappointing my mom, so I always go to church on Christmas when I am in town visiting.


I take it all back.  Maybe Christianity isn't that metal after all.

I would argue that filial piety is quite metal.

Re: Becoming a Priest
January 21, 2012, 01:43:18 AM
Von List, when Conservationist said that Christians have, in the meantime, been raising healthy children, etc., he was clearly referring to those who are actually faithful. Not the ones with quotation marks around their names. The rest of your argument deflates into nothingness in light of this. Actual Christians are not seen as freaks or outliers by the mainstream - if anything, they're generally seen as haughty. Which I cannot validate, although I will say that considering what the mainstream is, they have every right to be.


If you want to promote Christianity, be a good Christian but raise your children agnostically and let them make their own decisions. Anything less and I think you're really raping them in one of the most insidious ways, it's a recipe for blind faith.

"It's ok to have values that you hold higher than anything else, but don't teach them to your children.  That way they can choose bad values if they want."

Nope.
Exactly. Thanks for putting this absolutely shameful verbal diarrhea in its place.

I never saw a point of disappointing my mom, so I always go to church on Christmas when I am in town visiting.


I take it all back.  Maybe Christianity isn't that metal after all.

I would argue that filial piety is quite metal.
As are loyalty, sacrifice, and ritual.

Re: Becoming a Priest
January 21, 2012, 01:51:49 AM
Yo dawg the last post is pretty clear.

I see two potential problems:

1. Image before function (metal rules and xtianity suckz!!)
2. Lack of understanding (one higher truth, all religions properly understood lead to this path)

I don't know/realize the truth, but I find the traditionalist ideals very intriguing and hope to keep learning.

Re: Becoming a Priest
January 21, 2012, 02:49:05 AM
If they took Christianity seriously enough to understand what you are saying Conservationist, their hearts might indeed be lightened, their vision cleared, their ego humbled.

I don't know if I even believe in the division between religions anymore. They are all successive approximations of a truth found only in reality, which I as a monist see as not divided into natural/supernatural but layers of a complex, multidimensional, mind-correlative system. The point of my belief is Platonic monism, which suggests a more "scientific" religion along the lines of The Perennial Philosophy or Advaita-Vedanta, but as both of those sects are careful to make clear, it can be found in any other spiritual "dialect" as well. I will never tolerate any religious viewpoint which is incompatible with, say, the Order of Nine Angles and The Bhagavad-Gita, which cuts me out of mainstream Christianity -- and mainstream Buddhism, Hinduism, all Wiccanism, etc. My belief as a Perennialist is compatible with Odinism and certain visions of Christianity which retain their essential 'pagan' belief and moral system, which is what Perennialism is all about. It's also inherently Evolan. I think people are freaking out because I refuse to join the simplistic, appearance-based trends that are designed for participation ("let's all gang up on group B, because we're group A! GO TEAM!") instead of accuracy.

This website has always prided itself on being realistic and avoiding the pitfalls of existence. Well, 'scientism' is one of those pitfalls, are are dualism and altruistic morality. Avoid those and you'll be fine, no matter what labels you stick on it.

In the meantime, the great black metal crusade against Christianity has failed. The black metallers approved of the war, then became good pious liberals and went off to their tool-like day jobs where they became perfect consumers, and now they're either record collecting or watching football games. They contributed  no change other than justifying the path of Globalism, which mixes egalitarianism/atheism/multiculturalism/consumerism/materialism/atomization/socialism into one handy system called liberal democracy. When they embraced the image, they went too far, and then they fell all over themselves recanting.

Remember the bold NSBM racists and their complete sheeplike obedience? Or the "orthodox Satanic" bands like Watain that recycle 1970s horror movie lines as lyrics? Geez, I wonder why black metal now is so boring. Perhaps it's that these people are imitating the surface, not understanding the underlying belief, which wasn't Team A versus Team B so much as a sense of discovering a meaning outside of "Western" (post-French Revolution bastardization of Jewish and pagan thought) morality. Sometimes you must do evil to achieve good results. That's the summary. That's the truth which Christianity needs to embrace.

Waiting around for some mythical crusade to change the world because -- and you are fucking liberals if you believe this -- everyone suddenly "wakes up" and start participating, wow, well, that's a total fail and always will be. Don't compromise your beliefs, but get into the system, rise in it and change it. It will happen gradually but it happens, unlike the crazy jihad-thinking which will never fucking happen.

Re: Becoming a Priest
January 23, 2012, 06:30:37 AM
Reading through this thread, I now understand more completely this site's sudden adoption of tolerance towards Christianity.

That being said, I've held a view for a while now that monotheistic religions are horse shit. One "God" can't run things effectively. Since "God" is nothing more than a creation of Man, who very rarely can run things effectively on his own.

Build your healthy Christian communities. I wish you luck. As for me, I view it as repugnant and worthless. I would rather teach my children to revere what is around them, the Earth and life itself; teach them that the laws of nature should be how we humans live. It is best to give young ones some frame of reference, but not to beat it into their head.

My point ultimate being - RIIIIIIPP THE SACRED FLESSSSHHHH, SODOMIZE THE HOLY ASSHOLE, etc. The appropriation of this faith is something I cannot support.

Re: Becoming a Priest
January 23, 2012, 01:15:33 PM
I don't understand this "running things" bit. Is there something wrong with the universe? Has some upheaval occured in the physical laws of the universe? What do the tribulations of humanity matter? We are a blip, less than "empty" Space (of which we remain in awe). If not strict monotheism, then at least a single Godhead, one uncreated Lord, whatever you want to call it. The devas (allegorical forces of nature) are no longer mystery and myth, we approach their nature with scientific inquiry. This isn't going anywhere, gods aren't coming back.

A reverence for nature and how humans live would include a reverence for their continuity, their heritage. It is undeniable (unless one subscribes to some sort of historical materialism) that in the Christian heritage is much of the worth and good works of your people, your blood. Modern Atheism is self-worship by another name. "Agnosticism" as professed by most people is lack of conviction, an excuse for ignorance. Being raised in a faith does not mean blindness, the opposite is blindness. At worst, it means being a drone in a greater thing. Even that is preferable, as is demonstrated by the actions of the Christian families mentioned in this thread.

As far as I've seen, true belief and how precious and fragile it is (yet paradoxically, impenetrably strong in some regards) is not well appreciated by those who do not believe. This is not a fault, it is natural. It is a felt thing, impossible to explain (like insight about almost anything). It would be a favor to your children if they grew up in it. At the very least they might gain humility.

This is a chapter of Garrett Hardin's excellent book Living within Limits. If you have the time to read it, or have read it before, how much of this path of destruction is rooted in Christianity? Recommended reading in any case.

Re: Becoming a Priest
January 23, 2012, 01:47:34 PM
That being said, I've held a view for a while now that monotheistic religions are horse shit. One "God" can't run things effectively. Since "God" is nothing more than a creation of Man, who very rarely can run things effectively on his own.

That's exactly how one would accept Christianity (not as it is) but for the deeper thread that can lead towards the truth. A God who is created in the image of man is flawed, God is nonhuman and beyond this world.

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Build your healthy Christian communities. I wish you luck. As for me, I view it as repugnant and worthless. I would rather teach my children to revere what is around them, the Earth and life itself; teach them that the laws of nature should be how we humans live. It is best to give young ones some frame of reference, but not to beat it into their head.

This (earth, nature, trees, lakes, rivers) is also sacred and should be revered.


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My point ultimate being - RIIIIIIPP THE SACRED FLESSSSHHHH, SODOMIZE THE HOLY ASSHOLE, etc.

This is also acceptable. Destroy false belief and false interpretations of God.