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Collapsists
January 22, 2012, 04:34:53 PM
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Tegeler, 57, has turned her home in rural Virginia into a "survival center," complete with a large generator, portable heaters, water tanks, and a two-year supply of freeze-dried food that her sister recently gave her as a birthday present. She says that in case of emergency, she could survive indefinitely in her home. And she thinks that emergency could come soon.

"I think this economy is about to fall apart," she said.

A wide range of vendors market products to preppers, mainly online. They sell everything from water tanks to guns to survival skills.

Conservative talk radio host Glenn Beck seems to preach preppers' message when he tells listeners: "It's never too late to prepare for the end of the world as we know it."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/21/us-usa-civilization-collapse-idUSTRE80K0LA20120121

What if collapse takes the form of descending to a third-world level (Russia, Mexico, Brazil, Iraq)  or near-third-world level like Greece?

Re: Collapsists
January 22, 2012, 05:35:55 PM
When Rome was collapsing, you could go into the outer regions of the Empire and one town would tell you that Rome was still intact and that this was just a momentary period of decline, but then you could go two towns over and they would tell you "oh yeah, Rome's been gone for years now".

It happened so slowly that names gained different definitions in order to keep the order.  People keep going into different levels of denial.  When the barbarians attacked the city of Rome shortly after the fall, they found lots of treasure, but no food and evidence of cannibalism.  1000 years after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, the Byzantium Empire still refered to themselves as Romans, just before their own fall.  Words change defintions and denial creeps in.  It's already happening.  Just look at the constitution.  We aren't following that thing  by any definition, and we are fooling ourselves if we think we aren't in an Empire of our own. 

Re: Collapsists
January 22, 2012, 09:20:09 PM
It is never too late to prepare. Some good old fashioned life skills, gardening, food preservation, physical health, and self-defense never hurt anyone. The survivalist community appears to be expecting a speedy collapse that (notwithstanding events like Katrina) is more likely to occur as a slow decline.

Based on demographics and the broken US financial system, a decline in standard of living appears inevitable. Just as we move into retirement we'll have third-world staffed nursing homes, a broken healthcare system, and a failed social security system to great us. It is good to be self-reliant and not expect hand outs (because they may stop coming).

Re: Collapsists
January 23, 2012, 10:09:24 AM
I know how to hunt/fish/trap/farm. I think I'm way ahead of many others who live in large cities and are fear stricken when their wifi goes down at starbucks.

Re: Collapsists
January 25, 2012, 06:21:18 PM
When American Idol goes away, then they'll know for certain that it's time to panic.

Re: Collapsists
January 26, 2012, 09:08:13 AM
When American Idol goes away, then they'll know for certain that it's time to panic.

When this happens, expect an end-of-the-world extravaganza at my place.

Re: Collapsists
January 26, 2012, 04:37:48 PM
I welcome a collapse with open arms.

So much wasted energy, wasted lives, wasted time. Death is natural and needed for something new and healthy to be born.

Re: Collapsists
January 26, 2012, 08:59:41 PM
Many people predict that when EBT and free government housing burns itself out we need to expect SHTF all over the country. That's the socially moral domestic program that sticks the responsible producers with the lumpenprole bill for life.

Re: Collapsists
January 27, 2012, 05:46:11 AM
Tinfoil hat time: Maybe a secret international coalition of bankster hippies united to purposely create a spoiled privileged generation who they then would abandon just so they could cause nationwide rioting and declare martial law.

OH NOES

Re: Collapsists
January 30, 2012, 06:37:32 AM
Oil.

Oil is converted into food (fertilisers, pesticides, operation of mechanised farming aswell as TRANSPORTING goods, like food, from one side of the continent to the other).

Oil derived food > natural carrying capacity (food derived from sunlight and ecological chemistry). Without oil or a substitute (that has not been prepared) population levels today cannot be sustained.

Life is a mere puppet of the energy it can derive. When we rapidly expand our population using the energy derived from oil, then suddenly realise durrrrr derr no moare oil.. uhr huerr.. you can expect those puppets to suddenly die and become lifeless.

In the UK, populations levels today are more than double what they were around beginning of the 20th century, and even then it was not entirely self reliant for sourcing its own food.

Nowadays, everyone is dependent on supermarkets for their chemically stored energy derived from oil. To assume we will coast along a slow decline in the 21st century is a comforting illusion. As the energy that is used to animate the modern world finds itself spent, it is only natural that all living activity or signs of life above the natural carrying capacity of an ecological niche will be strangled to death.

Re: Collapsists
January 30, 2012, 07:00:51 AM
Oil.

Oil is converted into food (fertilisers, pesticides, operation of mechanised farming aswell as TRANSPORTING goods, like food, from one side of the continent to the other).

Oil derived food > natural carrying capacity (food derived from sunlight and ecological chemistry). Without oil or a substitute (that has not been prepared) population levels today cannot be sustained.

Life is a mere puppet of the energy it can derive. When we rapidly expand our population using the energy derived from oil, then suddenly realise durrrrr derr no moare oil.. uhr huerr.. you can expect those puppets to suddenly die and become lifeless.

In the UK, populations levels today are more than double what they were around beginning of the 20th century, and even then it was not entirely self reliant for sourcing its own food.

Nowadays, everyone is dependent on supermarkets for their chemically stored energy derived from oil. To assume we will coast along a slow decline in the 21st century is a comforting illusion. As the energy that is used to animate the modern world finds itself spent, it is only natural that all living activity or signs of life above the natural carrying capacity of an ecological niche will be strangled to death.

This also assumes that farms will be able to *function* after the phase transition which accompanies the loss of mechanised farming and ease of transport.

Much of the agricultural land will be unable to function if it is wholly dependent on machines to do all the work. Machines without energy are useless, oil is the main source of that energy. For most then, the fields will be left uncultivated and return to wilderness unless acted on by traditional farming methods and able bodies (absent).

This means that the carrying capacity specifically toward human populations is radically thinned out, as people will not be able to physically derive all the available ecological niches for the production of food.