Is there a bit of this degenerate in all of us?

[Cargést]

Everybody shut the fuck up and learn about Sparta.

[Tralfamadorian]

Proof? This sounds like a pleasant illusion more than anything. Wasn't Alexander gay, young and on military campaigns most of the time (away from any women).

There are no absolute rules in biology. But it still stands that many if not most heterosexual men who have accomplished anything noteworthy have had emotional support in their female partners.

In terms of dating (in the U.S. at least) treating women as equals is a terrible idea. Play the passive role of a woman in the ritual and see how it goes for you. It doesn't matter how attractive you are, for the most part the only women who will approach you are ones that are below your tier of attractiveness. There are exceptions of course but you will be severely cutting down on your possibilities.

Perhaps I am naive, but I think an ideal relationship would consist of alternating the passive and dominant roles.

[NHA]

Doesn't matter - the relationship would never form in the first place. Most attractive women have zero clue of how to actively pick someone up even when they really want something to happen.

Fat chicks are pretty decent at it, but i think gay males are the most adept lol.

[Archidamus]

Alphas = shallow men???

I guess Alexander the Great and George Washington would fit in well with Jersey Shore.

Nope. Notice that he put alpha in quotations.

So he did not mean that alphas are shallow. He meant that PUAs are shallow.

He was baiting me as if I equated PUAs with alphas. Notice how I sarcastically compared great men in history with Jersey Shore, which in itself, agrees with the remainder of your post on wisdom.

[Archidamus]

The alpha/beta thing doesn't seem to be much more than pop psychology.

There is always a physical intimidation factor that underlies this type of aggression based social hierarchy and its pretty hard to be intimidated by someone 1-2 feet shorter than you and 50-100lb lighter. Even a beta male should be able to rank higher than an alpha female in aggression.

Alphas = shallow men???

Effectively yea. Its mostly people just aping a social image that requires no actual physical confrontation to back up.

Washington, Alexander, Jeanne d'Arc, etc are well beyond that type of prole bullshit

You speak of the word alpha only in terms of physical prowess and social image, what this degenerate culture has turned it in to. I agree that these traits alone don't constitute the idea of alpha alone. Virtue, intelligence, charismatic leadership and an aloofness to setbacks are some other characteristics that mentioned leaders have demonstrated to a greater degree than others that make them alphas. Don't treat the idea as another trendy psych. topic as alpha/beta traits are witnessed in pack animals. 

 

[aquarius]

In a topsy turvy world like this almost any rubbish can be argued for or against ad infinitum. To me it's simpler, people are either decent/acceptable or they exhibit the subhuman behaviour, in which case I wouldn't look twice at them.

[Wolfgang]

Diesel, your post seems to imply that societal standards and values are a  superficial veneer pasted atop a monkey. I disagree with that assessment; humans are capable of transcending their primitive animal nature, and indeed, doing away with it entirely, with much discipline, vigilance, and courage. There are plenty of girls in which the cretinous tendencies displayed by a porn star are utterly absent. Take for example, my sister. She's an alpha female who likes rock climbing and dating nice men who won't beg her for sex 'cause she's chaste.

But they are a veneer pasted atop a monkey. Doing away with the negative aspects would only involve an understanding of the true nature of humanity. A synergy with nature and nurture that has not yet been achieved.

[Veritas]

idk, but there's certainly a bit of slim shady.

+fapped

[Wolfgang]

I totally did too after lookin' at the site.

[NHA]

You speak of the word alpha only in terms of physical prowess and social image, what this degenerate culture has turned it in to.
I agree that these traits alone don't constitute the idea of alpha alone. Virtue, intelligence, charismatic leadership and an aloofness to setbacks are some other characteristics that mentioned leaders have demonstrated to a greater degree than others that make them alphas. Don't treat the idea as another trendy psych. topic as alpha/beta traits are witnessed in pack animals. 

It's base precisely due to its connections with pack animals. Virtue has no place in it. Most forms of intelligence are only peripherally useful to it. Aggression, Raw strength, Cunning, and social manipulation are what makes alphas. Sperglord style intelligence doesn't help much in this case.

The way its used in pop culture is totally wrong anyway because they separate it from any context. You can't be an alpha in itself because its like saying you're the physical manifestation of the number one - it makes no sense from any non-masturbatory point of view. Alpha is a ranking within a closed group and just because you're alpha in group A doesn't imply that you would be the same in group B.

Calling someone a beta male is just a pretentious way of calling someone second rate that has little to do with the topic that they're drawing their terminology from.

[NHA]

+fapped

Same.

I also emailed her trying to get an answer for a problem i'm having with non euclidean geometry haha.

[Wolfgang]

Who are the Alpha Males in today's society? The men whom have sex with more women they can count, win every bar fight or street confrontation, ride motorcycles, drive low riders and or go muddin'? Those guys alphas? The church leaders who secretly father 8 kids in the congregation and live off God's good grace? Alpha? The average looking ashkenazi who you never see who controls a lobby firm, news room, porn studio, or college curriculum? He an Alpha?

There are obvious differences between the sexes, but the problems the sexual revolution, feminism and the women's movement have created are just as much a product of Christianity imposing an unnatural sexism onto Northern European society that didn't exist before. The result of repression of women is what we have now. Society will have to normalize.

Again, we need to strip everything away and look at our true nature and find a balance that respects and honors the roles of women and men. The ideal human society includes them both equally - yet differently.

Norway has some social problems, mainly American Imitationism in terms of swallowing hordes of immigrants but sans that check these facts ;

Norway is usually recognized as the country with the best equal rights for women, but conversely also is known for being fairer to men than most countries such as being the only place in the west with legal paternity leave for fathers who have children.

Norway has little crime. Almost none if immigrant crime is taken away.

Norwegians have 2.2% unemployment in the indigenous population.

Only 5% of Norwegians go to Church.

Norway refuses to join the EU.

Norway has almost no Jews.

Norway produced Black Metal.

If they shut their borders to immigrants, Utopia.

[Wolfgang]

The "alpha female" is a modern creation.

Your sister likes to date beta males because society has brainwashed her into believing her ovaries are external of her and she should have control in relationships. She would put out if she dated alphas. 

Dude have you tried Islam?

[Tralfamadorian]

Doesn't matter - the relationship would never form in the first place. Most attractive women have zero clue of how to actively pick someone up even when they really want something to happen.

I dunno dude. My first ever kiss was initiated by the girl, who I ended up dating for a year.

But they are a veneer pasted atop a monkey.

I like to think it's the monkey pasted atop an ubermensch. We work all of our lives to attain our true form.

Shame on you guys for fapping. That is exactly what she wants, for you think of her as a sex object. Think about it: the majority of guys whom have met her or viewed her site have thought as much about her. She creates this perception in others so she can feel sorry for her self.  She needs to be shown that humans can beat their own nature. Offer her a prayer.

[diesel]

Shame on you guys for fapping. That is exactly what she wants, for you think of her as a sex object. Think about it: the majority of guys whom have met her or viewed her site have thought as much about her. She creates this perception in others so she can feel sorry for her self.  She needs to be shown that humans can beat their own nature. Offer her a prayer.

Would it be dishonest of the guys jerking off to try and see her as some transcendent ode to humanity's self destruction? Maybe she has a point.