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Is anti-humanism really humanism?

Is anti-humanism really humanism?
April 20, 2012, 05:32:36 AM
take Linkola for instance. What he proposes seems cruel and anti-human but he has put a lifetime of energy into what he thinks is a solution for the human race.
Everything comes back to the race. The hope that no, we aren't worthless, lets just frantically reset everything and try it again. Higher IQ will conquer human nature. We can do this.. it's our race!
This is some sort of passionate extremist love. Just like a pack of wolves is hardwired to only think about their own species, we are the same. We will never get away from that. We are anchored down permanently despite how many links may be added to the chain to allow a little more freedom.

Can you be a human who is anti-human, when you still have a beating bloody bundle of muscle underneath your ribs, and you still want to eat, procreate, etc.?
Fuck I guess nihilists really don't last long eh? They have to choose a path. they become hedonists, family men, porn stars, priests, light liberals, pro-fascists, or they Cho-out...
The toughest part is learning how to let that chosen mission coexist with  the idea that it all ultimately doesn't matter.

Re: Is anti-humanism really humanism?
April 20, 2012, 06:44:14 AM
This is what I've been trying to tell them for years, fuck all this immature "misanthropic" black metal bullshit. The only reason they "hate" humanity so much is for the same reason a father might punch his drug addict son in the face, they love humanity but hate what it has become. If they truly had no love for humanity they wouldn't be interested enough in humanity to label themselves misanthropes.

They have to choose a path. they become hedonists, family men, porn stars, priests, light liberals, pro-fascists, or they Cho-out...
You seem to be interested in porn stars, if you want to come to Vegas we can meet up at Adultcon and talk to some real pornstars if you're old enough. Something tells me you might change your mind if you meet them face to face. I won't lie though, a couple of them are relatively intelligent and interesting people...

Re: Is anti-humanism really humanism?
April 20, 2012, 11:55:33 AM
I love the great despisers, for they are the great adorers and arrows of longing for the other shore!

Re: Is anti-humanism really humanism?
April 20, 2012, 01:28:03 PM
I love the great despisers, for they are the great adorers and arrows of longing for the other shore!
Exactly.

Anti-humanism is a rejection of the notion that humanity actually is the center of the univers, not necessarily a rejection of the fact, that we are destined to perceive ourselves as such, qua being human. It is a rejection of the notion that perceiving ourselves as the center of the universe implies, that we actually are.

Anti-humanism is a recognition of the fact, that we, as humans, actually don't act in our own best self-interested, when we interact with the world from the 'obvious' standpoint of us being the be-all-end-all of the universe. We can fool ourselves into thinking so, of course. But that of course doesn't make it so.

The implication that anti-humanism is anti-human is flawed. It is anti-human-as-center-of-the-universe, which is what humanism actually means.

Being open to the possibility of meaning as something not necessarily limited to the human perspective is what anti-humanism actually is. It is open-mindedness in the non-corrupted sense.

It is anti-individualism, not anti-individual. The individual can still be meaningful, but in the context of something larger than him- or herself.

Maybe super-humanism is a more fitting term than anti-?

Re: Is anti-humanism really humanism?
April 20, 2012, 05:34:29 PM
If they truly had no love for humanity they wouldn't be interested enough in humanity to label themselves misanthropes.

They can't disregard something they themselves are a part of. Humanity has exhausted itself and will either go through another cycle, or ultimately die out.

Re: Is anti-humanism really humanism?
April 20, 2012, 07:17:21 PM
What he proposes seems cruel and anti-human but he has put a lifetime of energy into what he thinks is a solution for the human race.

I call it the human species. Linkola's solution works for the human species and earth as a whole. As such, it is not humanism.

Re: Is anti-humanism really humanism?
April 20, 2012, 08:26:36 PM
That's it. What's good for the biosphere can also be good for us as a dependent part of that biosphere. So no, humans are not the central or sole benefactor with anti-humanism which is what would make it humanism.

Re: Is anti-humanism really humanism?
April 21, 2012, 01:56:29 AM
I dunno, I really question anyone who sees the earth as something so far  beyond just a home for us or something we can use. Linkola sees the world going to shit, our species ovepopulating, cramped and suffocating, and dreams of a way to a better future... for US, which means keeping earth intact too and not returning to our old ways. Taking away human value by killing people  to give human life more value at the end.

Re: Is anti-humanism really humanism?
April 21, 2012, 02:12:49 AM
I dunno, I really question anyone who sees the earth as something so far  beyond just a home for us or something we can use.

Well, we can be promising omnivores who further evolve into planetary, then perhaps interplanetary stewards or we can devolve into a de facto parasite species that ultimately destroys its only habitat because, well it's just there for us to use it like the bible preacher said.

Re: Is anti-humanism really humanism?
April 21, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
Choose one:

(a) Chimps
(b) Supermen

Choose one:

(a) Keep the tards, under-120s, criminals, pedophiles, idiots, liars, sociopaths and other delights
(b) Lose them and become supermen

Choose one:

(a) Democracy, equality, liberalism, pluralism, utilitarianism, populism, individualism
(b) Quality

These aren't false dichotomies -- they show you that these are different and opposite directions. It's not a false dichotomy to say that when you get on I-35 in Austin, you're either going to Chicago or San Antonio.