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Liberal democratic legitimacy ending

Re: Liberal democratic legitimacy ending
October 26, 2012, 03:29:48 AM
No they internally function by robbing Peter to pay Paul. Combine that with multiculturalism and the country gets fragmented into political interests all trying to be the Paul. Liberal democracy dies of entropy and that means insolvency and therefore broken promises like austerity. The only way they learn to carry on a little while longer is by externalizing entropy through outsourcing labor and importing all their consumer goods.

Re: Liberal democratic legitimacy ending
October 26, 2012, 04:17:38 AM
It is good to see good news, occasionally.
And here I was, worrying that something was wrong.

Re: Liberal democratic legitimacy ending
October 26, 2012, 04:44:43 AM
No they internally function by robbing Peter to pay Paul. Combine that with multiculturalism and the country gets fragmented into political interests all trying to be the Paul. Liberal democracy dies of entropy and that means insolvency and therefore broken promises like austerity. The only way they learn to carry on a little while longer is by externalizing entropy through outsourcing labor and importing all their consumer goods.

What are you saying 'no' to? You don't think liberal democracy will be around for a long time? You think the masses, who depend on the welfare state for their lifestyles, will vote against it?

Re: Liberal democratic legitimacy ending
October 26, 2012, 05:22:36 AM
What voters are you referring to?
After starvation, drug abuse, alcoholism, disease, sloth, insanity, boredom, knife and gunshot wounds have run their course, there won't be any.

Re: Liberal democratic legitimacy ending
October 26, 2012, 05:41:13 AM
What voters are you referring to?
After starvation, drug abuse, alcoholism, disease, sloth, insanity, boredom, knife and gunshot wounds have run their course, there won't be any.

You think the decline of the west will be that dramatic that all voters will be killed through the above?

Re: Liberal democratic legitimacy ending
October 26, 2012, 07:00:14 AM
No. I don't expect it at all.
But it is a possibility, although it will take considerable time for the decline to reach such proportions.
It is a probable scenario unless something serious changes things.

Re: Liberal democratic legitimacy ending
November 22, 2012, 06:21:48 AM
Ideas are changing inside the ruling class, as well. The pro-Western, modernizing doctrine of President Dmitri A. Medvedev has been replaced by talk about “post-democracy” and imperial nostalgia. Leading intellectuals are challenging the premise, driven into this country 20 years ago, that Russia should seek to emulate liberal Western institutions. “Western values” are spoken of with disdain.

 Every year, scholars from around the world gather for a meeting of the Valdai Discussion Club, where they sit around an opulent dinner table, peppering Mr. Putin with questions for hours. Mr. Peskov said this year there were few questions about democracy and human rights — because those questions are no longer of interest.

 “World experts nowadays are losing their interest in the traditional set of burning points,” he said. “Everyone is sick and tired of this issue of human rights.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/21/world/europe/vladimir-putin-pushes-patriotism-in-russia.html

Re: Liberal democratic legitimacy ending
November 23, 2012, 07:15:19 AM
Interesting.

Any progression from liberalism will only occur in eastern european, or oriental societies that have not been dilluted ideologically by multiculturalism to the point where liberalism is inescapable.

In America, for instance, you won't have a non democratic president again, or if you do it will be for relatively intermediate bursts and a couple more times at that. As the society become more and more multicultural (whites will be a minotry at 47 per cent of total population by 2050), this is necessarily going to keep the democrats (liberals) in power.

Re: Liberal democratic legitimacy ending
November 23, 2012, 10:14:47 PM
Agreed. It'll fade in the West from something outside of competing political philosophy, yet caused by our having adopted liberal democratic rule to begin with.

Re: Liberal democratic legitimacy ending
November 24, 2012, 02:59:40 AM
Agreed. It'll fade in the West from something outside of competing political philosophy, yet caused by our having adopted liberal democratic rule to begin with.

Hideous irony!

Re: Liberal democratic legitimacy ending
November 24, 2012, 03:16:20 AM
Yes, instead of the conclusion of the socio-political dialectic as expected, the conclusion becomes an historic reset button through attaining contradictions or unsustainability in keys areas. Among these are the social, political, economic, ecological and evolutionary. A lot of people are calling it the perfect storm, supposing of course most overlap during the same decades as they are at present.

Re: Liberal democratic legitimacy ending
December 11, 2012, 11:11:29 PM
EU = stagnant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6hqNfkZ5wVk

a record 47.7 million Americans are now living in poverty (qualify for public food assistance) at least according to the USDA

http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/34SNAPmonthly.htm

public debt exceeded income back in September

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-26/september-30-2012-us-debt-gdp-1024

Legitimacy completely ends when the promised goodies are no longer delivered.

Re: Liberal democratic legitimacy ending
February 02, 2013, 01:41:19 AM
Opinion piece by marginalized political scholar:

In an essay, “The Return of Toxic Nationalism,” Robert Kaplan, a geopolitical analyst for Stratfor, writes that Western elites are even yet failing to see the larger, darker picture of our evolving world.

These elites identify with the like-minded in other lands and “prefer not to see the regressive and exclusivist forces ... that are mightily reshaping the future.”

Egypt and the Mideast offer “a panorama of sectarianism and religious and ethnic divides. Freedom, at least in its initial stages, unleashes not only individual identity but, more crucially, the freedom to identify with a blood-based solidarity group. Beyond that group, feelings of love and humanity do not apply.”

This is “a signal lesson of the Arab Spring,” and out of it will likely come an “Islamist-Nasserite regime” in Cairo.

“Asia is in the midst of a feverish arms race,” writes Kaplan. Nationalism there is “young and vibrant—as it was in the West in the 19th and 20th centuries.” Having consolidated the homeland, China is moving to annex her adjacent seas, and a formerly pacifist Japan is “rediscovering nationalism as a default option.”

Nationalism is “alive and thriving in India and Russia,” with New Delhi building armed forces that will be among the world’s largest.

“Race hatred against Muslims is high among Russians, and just as there are large rallies by civil-society types, there are also marches and protests by skinheads and neo-Nazis, who are less well-covered by Western media.”

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