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Metal as revolutionary

Re: Metal as revolutionary
January 22, 2007, 09:37:55 PM
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Dude. Hate Edge. It seems like you what you wrote came out of a text book.  Seems like, not is.  Even if it is, there is nothing wrong with that save this:  It complicates things when it is VERY SIMPLE.

First of all, egoism came from self-consciousness.  One begeting from the other.  Self-consciouness came shortly after consciousness itself AND here is where it gets very simple.  It ALL started when the first ape asked "WHY?". Not in words, of course but in a sense.  Remember, don't confuse "WHAT?" or "HUH?" with WHY? and THAT's the origin of consciousness itself.


It's not quite that simple. My ego came into being around the time I had a nightmare and I had my mother tell me it was "just a dream". Ever since I've been stuck here.

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Example? Try imagine being one of our ancient ancestors, basically apes.


Apes? What the fuck are you talking about? Are you one of those idiots who's so socially conditioned by materialism and one dimensional historical narratives that you think that the scientific explanation from the bottom of the abyss, drudged up from an insane way of thinking created by alchemists who forgot that they were magicians is the ultimate truth? A context which is so mind-bogglingly far down into the depths of contradictory knowledge that its reduced humans into apes?

Let me tell you: When the moon tried to take me back to my now-forgotten home outside of this ridiculous universe, when the green and red serpents tried to take me home, to remove the nails driven through my dreams, I wish they would have rather than leaving me with a bunch of objectively minded fucktards who are turning themselves into apes and for years had me fooled into thinking I was one.

Oh yeah, and then all those other spheres in my dreams, the ones that to my horror disappeared, like a shattered godhead. I'll get them back, and man, are you people going to feel stupid when that happens. The ones that crashed into the black pool of nothingness that everyone seems to think they should see when they close their eyes, because humans are so fucking dumb that they think that they're only supposed to see the backs of their eyelids.

When I die, I'm coming back as motherfucking Cthulhu. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu!

Human beings are literally so dumb that they over a period of 6000 years or so have extended the course of their evolution from a few centuries to like, fuck, what is it now? 16 bagillion gazillion years? 6000 years is fine. You'll probably be turned to stone 1000 years from now at this rate.

That said, I still love you all, I guess. I wouldn't be here still if I didn't. Have fun, humans.


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Re: Metal as revolutionary
January 23, 2007, 12:54:24 AM
Ha Ha ha!!!! That was a cool read.  You should be a lyricalist for a BM band.  You'd be good at it.

Hey Martin, r u still part of a flat earth society?

The god-complex is such a common occurance, its trivial.

When I die, think I'll come back as a toe.

I remember when the moon TRIED to take me from my puppet-show I called home. Then I discovered that the moon was nothing but a glass window on the amphibious death-realm layer, we call "the sky" and that it was actually The mighty blue Soul Reaver - Razael, behind the glass, trying to trick me into smashing it with a thought, so that he might be set free and call forth the insatiable chaos serpent - Nyarlathotep to SWALLOW the meaningless clouds of galaxies.

The green, red, and yellow serpents, the Black and emerald Wolves of destiny ARE but the scales of this Crawling chaos.  It's scream will shatter the very foundations of time and space.  When it blinks, day will turn to night and back to day in an instant when it opens its eye, after blinking of course.  Not even the Giant leviathan Octapus Cthulhu will survive its gaze.  Nor Hydra. Nor Dagon.

Some will be send to the Bright Realm of Insanity where each and every one of your thoughts, even deep sub-conscious thoughts will NOT ONLY become audible but will become perpetually louder for millions, upon millions of years without your preternatural ears ever bursting AND U'LL NEVER FIND THE WAY OUT of this place.

Some, to the Black dimension of false truths where you cant EVEN be one bit conscious lest you glow to the blind eyes of the mindless chaotic black creatures(which inhabit this place).  Creatures as large as the super-clusters of galaxies.  When they know your there.  Don't even BLINK a thought of your deepest fears NOT even a sub-conscious memory 'cause they"ll know it and you'll be their BITCH for ALL time, replaying EVERY FEAR OVER and OVER and OVER again.  Then probably stop.  Even these things get bored (maybe after 17 billion years).  Then you'll be another black being's bitch.

Some will go to the realm of tea and coffee and eat marsh-mellows for 2 days and then float with the magical tissue paper trees for 257.66 MILLION nanoseconds.

AND so forth and such and such...............

Re: Metal as revolutionary
January 23, 2007, 06:30:17 AM
I don't know; Varg Vikernes has a god complex, and it's quite effectively fed by the souls of his weaker listeners. "Worship me." I guess I have a god complex. I'd consider myself just more into some hardcore subjectivity with some occultness thrown in because the occult is fun and beautiful. Judging by the power he wields in the minds of others, I'm not sure Vikernes' god complex is unwarranted; his music is a tool which has allowed his will to be amplified to unbelievable proportions. I'd read My Journey to the Stars until it gets really scary, hehehe... Human beings have low self-esteem though, that's why they're stuck here, so they just make fun of people who think in ways that might turn them into pawns of the very people they mock. (Irony intentional)

Re: Metal as revolutionary
January 23, 2007, 01:14:00 PM
Don't worry.  I know exactly what it's like to have had the god complex, and the Jesus complex, and the antichrist complex.  You know what it is - Insanity.  Yeah I would imagine most of these extreme metal guys would have it, and probably because of one simple reason - TOO MUCH F*@KING DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!  You are nothing.  He is nothing.  She is nothing.  I am nothing.  They are nothing.  The world is nothing. The whole damn universe is NOTHING.  GET OVER YOURSELVES!!

Look, this happens to people because they usually ARE special people (and I don't mean in the retarded way).  People who go through life wandering why they are so different. Wander why they feel things no one else appears to feel.  Why they feel like aliens among all the other human drones, and so on.

There is nothing wrong with people feeling special because that really means they are special.  But let me tell you this:  You might be special, but you are a special bit of NOTHING.  You are a shining, glowing particle of sand within a long beach.  A massive, bright star amongest ALL the other, millions of bright massive stars, within billions of ordinary stars in ONE galaxy.

Vlad probably believes, like I used to believe about myself, that when he dies, he'll become a god.  Can I tell you something?  He won't.  I won't.  You won't.  There is NOTHING when you die.  You'll forget who u r.  Forget what u r.  Loose your consciousness, memory, thoughts, emotions, EVERYTHING.  You'll become ONE with the nothiness.  Therefor, you'll become one with EVERYTHING.

Get it?

Re: Metal as revolutionary
January 23, 2007, 01:26:02 PM
By the way Martin Hitler King, see my quote?:

"Example? Try imagine being one of our ancient ancestors, basically apes. "

Look closely at the words "Example", "Try" and "Imagine"<----------Mostly IMAGINE.
You know........ Imagination - power and process of producing mental images and ideas.  

Cool.  I made my point.  Again.    

Re: Metal as revolutionary
January 23, 2007, 01:43:05 PM
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Don't worry.  I know exactly what it's like to have had the god complex, and the Jesus complex, and the antichrist complex.  You know what it is - Insanity.  Yeah I would imagine most of these extreme metal guys would have it, and probably because of one simple reason - TOO MUCH F*@KING DRUGS!!!!!!!!!!  You are nothing.  He is nothing.  She is nothing.  I am nothing.  They are nothing.  The world is nothing. The whole damn universe is NOTHING.  GET OVER YOURSELVES!!

Look, this happens to people because they usually ARE special people (and I don't mean in the retarded way).  People who go through life wandering why they are so different. Wander why they feel things no one else appears to feel.  Why they feel like aliens among all the other human drones, and so on.

There is nothing wrong with people feeling special because that really means they are special.  But let me tell you this:  You might be special, but you are a special bit of NOTHING.  You are a shining, glowing particle of sand within a long beach.  A massive, bright star amongest ALL the other, millions of bright massive stars, within billions of ordinary stars in ONE galaxy.

Vlad probably believes, like I used to believe about myself, that when he dies, he'll become a god.  Can I tell you something?  He won't.  I won't.  You won't.  There is NOTHING when you die.  You'll forget who u r.  Forget what u r.  Loose your consciousness, memory, thoughts, emotions, EVERYTHING.  You'll become ONE with the nothiness.  Therefor, you'll become one with EVERYTHING.

Get it?


Funny, I don't disagree with you at all.

Actually I took this way too seriously on purpose, and I really enjoyed your deconstruction of my thought process. It's not too inaccurate.

I won't disagree with your characterization of the thought process as insanity. Then again, I've never met a sane person.

I think trying to become a god is a very limited way of thinking; it implies that one already doesn't have that power, which means that you'll never, ever find it.

If people don't explore the depths of these thoughts, they're never going to get any more true art, only ego based rehashes of what's already known.

Re: Metal as revolutionary
January 23, 2007, 02:36:39 PM
Oh!! Ok. I see.  It's hard to know what people are really about when you can't see them or talk to them personally.

By the way, when I was saying "You" I really did mean in general.  Not directly.

But it does sound like you are, or went through a similar thing that I went through 2 years ago.  Maybe not.  Maybe you're just a good artist.  But you know what they say, including Dimmu Borgir, that, "All great art comes from suffering", a very tabooed thing to say but DAMMIT its so bloody true.


Re: Metal as revolutionary
January 24, 2007, 11:10:37 AM
Back on topic...

Saying that art comes from suffering is redundant. All good things come from suffering and conquest.

The question is, as art, is metal revolutionary, counter-revolutionary or "other"?


Re: Metal as revolutionary
January 24, 2007, 11:29:19 AM
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Back on topic...

Saying that art comes from suffering is redundant. All good things come from suffering and conquest.

The question is, as art, is metal revolutionary, counter-revolutionary or "other"?



OK.  I think it is more counter-revolutionary.  Like art, TRUE, justified revolution also comes from suffering and termoil.  However, most metal-heads suffer FOR NO REASON.  Simply out boredom of this chushy life and when people rebel for no cause, it IS counter-revolutionary.

(....awaiting arguement and ridicule)

Re: Metal as revolutionary
February 11, 2007, 10:45:11 AM
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I think it is more counter-revolutionary.  Like art, TRUE, justified revolution also comes from suffering and termoil.  However, most metal-heads suffer FOR NO REASON.  Simply out boredom of this chushy life and when people rebel for no cause, it IS counter-revolutionary.


I'd have to agree here. The revolution was a lie because it was based on control through money, and while there were bad kings, the revolution was far worse.

The question is how to undo it while being outnumbered.

First person to shout "I give up" gets a free banning.


Re: Metal as revolutionary
February 11, 2007, 12:29:18 PM
The way I see it, if you're in a civilization that sucks, or perhaps, is not going in the direction you desire, the situation is caused by having an inaccurate, persecution-based view of reality. Voting is a way to reinforce a reality which takes away all of the power from the individual and places it outside of himself. As such, it may appear to many to be based on empowering the individual, when to another it practically whittles their power down to nothing. I think the best solution would be there to be an epidemic of Christian priests turning into child molestors, Islam drowning its credibility in blood, and various unhealthy, unnatural poisons destroying anyone who can't take hint after hint to avoid them, followed by an indignant revolt against the suffocating omnipresence of such things. In addition, a society in which the complexity of specialized groups of people who have varying customs and desires they have found mutually present in each other increases rapidly to become a  factor which creates strong local bonds which stymies political, priestly, and educational attempts to limit one following their true nature. A society in which these myriad influences allow things to move towards requiring its members to not need special legal protection and bureaucracy to know how to avoid harm among the locals of whatever culturally distinct, yet loosely defined area he finds himself in might be worthy of consideration as a possibility. A society which works well might be a society which contains the opposite of anything you would define as true about it somewhere within it, thus making it as free as the individual living in it chooses to see it as, and as oppressive as he wants it to be to him.

Re: Metal as revolutionary
February 25, 2007, 06:12:15 PM
Good point. Metal is more dissident world-change than it is revolution, because revolution implies a horde of simple people killing kings. Metal instead is the few wise ones standing apart from the crowd, upholding truth although it means their deaths, not giving a shit because it's better than living a lie.

Re: Metal as revolutionary
February 25, 2007, 08:15:42 PM
but it is said the few cannot compare with the many, or the poor with a rich, or the weak to the powerful, at least a revolution (by your definition) will create change

Re: Metal as revolutionary
March 05, 2007, 05:12:08 PM
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but it is said the few cannot compare with the many, or the poor with a rich, or the weak to the powerful, at least a revolution (by your definition) will create change


In physical numbers, no -- but the many cannot organize and build a civilization, and only exist because one is already here. The future needs leaders as the old order dies.

This old order is the revolutionary order. Metal is not revolutionary, but it is a competing philosophy. It is a source of endurance and creativity for those who understand.

I wouldn't say it's revolutionary or counter-revolutionary as a result, but that it's eternal. It is a truth like love, friendship or comradeship in war: a way that humans on this lonely planet find a spirit and a reason to live on, and to live on with a flair for life.

Everything else is bullshit written by decadent academics drying in easy chairs before the bonfire of their age-blighted hopes.