What would a metal society look like?

[ASBO]

No. Nothing is nothing. Your creating a paradox.

Nothing is nothing, except when observed by a human being. Then it is the recognition of nothing. When you recognize that nothing in life has inherent worth, you make your own, based on what is beautiful or powerful.

That's why metal exists, in this world of slaves, drones, parasites and priests.

[More Celt Than Sassenach]

No, it is a belief that reality, does not exist. I guess the reasoning is, once you die, your dead. Thats it. Nothing can't become something. 0 can't become 1 or hold any value. Your suggesting a paradox.
No. Nothing is nothing. Your creating a paradox.

It is a mistake to assume that nihilism must present itself in atheism, because the idea of a certainty like atheism is to claim knowledge and wisdom where nihilism is the realization that wisdom comes from understanding you know nothing. Hence nihilism can only be presented as an agnostic point of view.  

[sgtcrom]

I think the hardest parts to organise would be:

1. The land. Where would this metal civilization be? Someone earlier mentioned squatting. Squatting is not for a large group of people wishing to leave society. Although it shouldn't be so, every piece of land on earth (as far as I know) is owned by some government. Living on this land means everyone would have to subject to their laws, their punishments, their TAX (fuck!), etc: all the bad things that come with idiotic modern ruling.
What would we do? Buy a giant piece of land and ask them to remove it from their country? As if any government is just going to hand over land for a new country consisting solely of war-mongering society-hating metalheads.

I know! It's quite the bummer. Here's a couple of ideas I've been entertaining lately:

1. Antarctica and Pykrete. Antarctica is a whole continent free for the picking. Sure, there's some research and meteorology types down there, but they're few and far between and easily avoided.

We could get up a huge expedition to Antarctica and make immense floating cities out of Pykrete (frozen sawdust and water -- check it out on Youtube or History Channel). Since there's land under the ice in Antarctica, we find some places where it's not so hard to get to the bedrock, dig in and take advantage of the geothermal gradient for heating purposes.

So, we'd have a permanent base underground (ala Robert Heinlein's moon tunnel dwellers in "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress", which also happens to be a terrific formula for pulling off a cell-based revolution) AND we'd have a bunch of floating Pykrete city-states trolling the seas.

People that can handle/see the validity of all forms of metal can man the Antarctic base. People who adhere to only certain types of metal can select whichever floating city-state suits them best, as each will have its own genre-based focus. In this way, we can avoid conflict between screech-loving Black Metal-heads and the deep gutturals of the Brutal Death crowd.

As fun as it could briefly be, waging war upon a country for a piece of their land probably wouldnt do much good.

Yeah, war is always more fun in lyrics and movies.

2. Things we'd need from modern society.
We cant make our own electric plants, computers, hospital equipment, internet, etc. Can we? How would we get stuff like this in this society?

I think you ask a very important question here. The answer is "Yes, the fuck indeed, we CAN!!!"

The trick, I believe, is selective recruitment. Instead of looking for a bunch of metalheads and hoping one is a doctor or engineer or computer scientist, find doctors, engineers and comp-sci people and see which ones are metalheads.

It's also important to note that every one of us has a brain. We can use them. I already know enough Physics, Math and Chemistry to contribute to the electricity generation problem or to learn how to make needed drugs like anti-biotics.

More importantly, I know how to read books. Everything we need to know (including modern medicine) is in them. 9/10ths of the subjects they program us to be intimidated by aren't really all that fucking difficult to understand.

Recall the scene in "Good Will Hunting" where Matt Damon rips Harvard boy an intellectual "new one" and reveals at the end that he got all his information by using his brain and his library card, and it only cost him $1.50 in late return fees.

3. People.
Sure, there would be plenty of people willing to do this (fuck, i'm in), but what are the chances of there being enough numbers of:
-doctors/surgeons/other medical-sort
-builders/plumbers/electricians/etc
-women (important: I can't be the only one who thinks most people on this forum are male)
- ...fuck it, im too tired. All the kinds of positions this society/country would need.

If the numbers arent high enough in these sorts of fields, do we seek others and try convince them to come live in our world? I'm sure thered be more than a few rejections there.

I addressed this part pretty much already, we would need to poll as much of the metal community (such as it is) as possible and find our specialists amongst them.

As far as music is concerned, I think it takes a special and highly developed musical intelligence to appreciate metal. If the musical intelligence is high, then there's a good chance other facets of intelligence will be high also. I don't think we'd have a problem finding suitable people for a functional metal society or learning necessary skills when we have to. We metalheads are fucking smart. We don't need any trained robots.

If anyone rejects us, then, of course, fuck 'em. Their loss. If they want to listen to lame music and be a slave to the NWO, that's not our problem.

[ASBO]

The trick, I believe, is selective recruitment. Instead of looking for a bunch of metalheads and hoping one is a doctor or engineer or computer scientist, find doctors, engineers and comp-sci people and see which ones are metalheads.

It's also important to note that every one of us has a brain. We can use them. I already know enough Physics, Math and Chemistry to contribute to the electricity generation problem or to learn how to make needed drugs like anti-biotics.

More importantly, I know how to read books. Everything we need to know (including modern medicine) is in them. 9/10ths of the subjects they program us to be intimidated by aren't really all that fucking difficult to understand.

Recall the scene in "Good Will Hunting" where Matt Damon rips Harvard boy an intellectual "new one" and reveals at the end that he got all his information by using his brain and his library card, and it only cost him $1.50 in late return fees.

This is an important contribution. I think a truly Hessian state should include classical music, because many of the best thinkers like that, as well as Hessian-like Romantic literature and visual art.

[HallucinateSchizophrenia]

Peoples build. By stereotype of course, but for some reason bears some truth.
mass:
-ridiculously skinny
-ridiculously fat
-ridiculously buff

height:
-ridiculously tall
-occasional midget

Laws: What laws?

Society: People would get along or not. stinky babies would be burned.

Housing material: Wood or bone or stone...mainly bone.

Diet: Meat (including people)

Mental state. Smart, by psychosis would be the norm.

Death: 90% suicide (done in competition of most gruesome death). 3% Black plague. 2% AIDS (there go gaahl). 4% unintentional drug od. 1% however goats die. Small amount by upside cross.

Huh.

[lost_wanderer]

It depends. If people are the average metalheads who listen groups like six feet under and the likes and are just smoking weed and watching stupid shows, that society will collapse in no time. If you mean people who are intelligent and thinks that good metal music is not just intertainment, I think the society will be much lest consumerist and will respect the environment. It wil not be easy to live in that society, especially if you are incompetent, but it will be much more rewarding.  People won't start to act neurotic toward death. Mendicity shouldn't be allowed. Beggar will have to integrate society because no one will gives them money. There will be solidarity toward those in need but only to a certain point. If youre just to weak and helpless, people will throw you in the forest where you will perish by hunger or the elements. Most people who are to weak will gladdly put an end to themselve because they woundn't be a burden on society. The society will not judge you if you are weak in a domain if you are useful in another one. There will be no such things as huge city, wallmart and mcdo, that's for sure.

We are far from it. Even if we were only among metalheads.

[beyond_godlike]

Already been made in New Mexico.

What day it is and what month is kind of irrelevant out here

http://journeyman.tv/59835/documentaries/off-the-grid.html
click on 'View Clip' to watch a 6 minute clip. Make sure to watch the last 30 seconds. Unfortunately you have to pay to watch the entire documentary.

[Conservationist]

If you mean people who are intelligent and thinks that good metal music is not just intertainment, I think the society will be much lest consumerist and will respect the environment. It wil not be easy to live in that society, especially if you are incompetent, but it will be much more rewarding.  People won't start to act neurotic toward death. Mendicity shouldn't be allowed. Beggar will have to integrate society because no one will gives them money. There will be solidarity toward those in need but only to a certain point. If youre just to weak and helpless, people will throw you in the forest where you will perish by hunger or the elements. Most people who are to weak will gladdly put an end to themselve because they woundn't be a burden on society. The society will not judge you if you are weak in a domain if you are useful in another one.

Sounds good to me.

I might also add:

Any sane nation will focus on two attributes to its value system: innocence and adventure. Innocence, especially sexual innocence, keeps us loving toward the idea of family and lets us raise people with high, clean, life-embracing ideals. Adventure is what we need to be motivated, because it makes the struggle endemic to life into a form of play. Our modern lives are without grace, without innocence and without a sense of adventure, so we are both bored and cheapened.

http://www.amerika.org/2009/organization/american-new-right/

A sense of adventure, of aggression, of paying attention to every detail and making them fit correctly -- that's metal.

A sense of minding your own business, doing what's safe or socially rewarding, and ignoring your inner needs and how they correspond to reality -- that's modern. And shit.

[scourge]

Leaders would rise and the rest would follow or take an exit. The best leaders would determine rulership.

A libertarian and aristocratic synthesis is probably a guild based feudal technocracy. Laborers/machines instructed by journeymen guided by a master who is accountable to a systems design council. In off hours public life, generally solve our own problems with each other, resolve, forgive, and move on to better things as adult citizens or leave. The chronic problematic or irresponsible are cast out.

• Bred eugenically as fits the population level capacity and the role scarcity or abundance adjustment (e.g. less builders, more designers next generation)
• Sorted as caste in role by intelligence (vertical) and character + physical (horizontal)
• Professionally ranked by considering awards and honors, knowledge certification, and tangible accomplishments
• Socially as an armed wolf pack favoring civility

This is how things are to an extent, but:

• less negligent randomness especially in the sorting and professional
• lateral rather than vertical management at the social "off hours" layer

Just a concept sketch

[wahn]

Put the covers of all your favorite albums in a collage, and you'll have a picture of that society.

[Muaddib]

Would this society strive to creat a new race, genetically superior specimens through selective breeding and/or a eugenicist approach, or would basically be a european dominated society.
While I would agree most jews are drek, I don't see a need in excluding anyone. If a society is to be truly meritocratic, one could be judged by the worth of his genes, as expressed in his psychology, physical characteristics, and the actions derived from them. They could also be assesed according to the accomplishments of their forefathers.
Your thoughts?

[Levy_Spearmen]

While I would agree most jews are drek, I don't see a need in excluding anyone. If a society is to be truly meritocratic, one could be judged by the worth of his genes, as expressed in his psychology, physical characteristics, and the actions derived from them. They could also be assesed according to the accomplishments of their forefathers.
Your thoughts?

Your society sounds like the U.S. Replace meritocracy with capitalism and there you have it. Support Nationalism.

[Helmholtz]

Would this society strive to creat a new race, genetically superior specimens through selective breeding and/or a eugenicist approach, or would basically be a european dominated society.
While I would agree most jews are drek, I don't see a need in excluding anyone. If a society is to be truly meritocratic, one could be judged by the worth of his genes, as expressed in his psychology, physical characteristics, and the actions derived from them. They could also be assesed according to the accomplishments of their forefathers.
Your thoughts?

http://www.hessian.org/heavy_metal/2010/09/18/issue-3-helpless-prey-to-immortality/#btop6

I would say yes, though it'd likely be primarily Indo-European, just based on the nature of those who'd likely be attracted to such ideals.

[/quote]

Your society sounds like the U.S. Replace meritocracy with capitalism and there you have it. Support Nationalism.

I don't oppose nationalism, but personally I find more transcendental principles can be expressed in this medium, than in the long since far flung and corrupted roots of my people.  For those who feel the appropriate connection to their culture, and feel it can express higher truths, then by all means, it's a laudable path.

Your comparison is a bit faulty, by the way. There's nothing here that includes humanism, multiculturalism, consumerism, or any of those obfuscations.  This would be a nation significantly more virile and united in principle.

[Muaddib]

Helmholtz, It would most likely be dominantly indo-european, because as I've said, most jews are drek, and jewish culture, as interesting as it might be, is a real mish-mash of things with no definite focus.
Still, as you've said it, it's the trancendental  that we seek, a group of like minded people who have proven their genetic worth, not a bunch of kids who wouldn't get out of their comfort zone. Nationalism just does not seem enough for creating a new nation, you need an ideal first.
With that in mind, how would you describe the ideal Hessian?

[Helmholtz]

Helmholtz, It would most likely be dominantly indo-european, because as I've said, most jews are drek, and jewish culture, as interesting as it might be, is a real mish-mash of things with no definite focus.
Still, as you've said it, it's the trancendental  that we seek, a group of like minded people who have proven their genetic worth, not a bunch of kids who wouldn't get out of their comfort zone. Nationalism just does not seem enough for creating a new nation, you need an ideal first.
With that in mind, how would you describe the ideal Hessian?

First of all, someone who is dissatisfied with modernity, not because he fails to live up to its standards, but rather because it fails to live up to his, because it fails to provide him a fulfilling experience of reality.  First, we point out that being attentive, able to experience life fully and intensely, and having a complete distaste for the mind-numbing drone of modernity's egos, emotions, and frantic activity to nullify their boredom are attributes of such an individual.  We want those who are capable, willing, and passionate about devoting themselves to a discipline, those who are serious about what they do and less so about themselves, and those who are bluntly and brutally honest with others and themselves.  Such a person will by nature be more intelligent than most, and capable of seeing things on a level that most do not.  Such a person will not be easily bored, and will pursue experiences which are worthwhile in of themselves.  Such a person will likely also have taken time to physically improve themselves for health and greater ability in their endeavours.  Such a being is, despite their brutal honesty and pursuit of greater experience (whether "good" or "evil"), not arrogant, nor spiteful.  Having the ability to experience things at a greater level than the less attentive, less bothers him, though the things which he is passionate about he will pursue ruthlessly.  The self is affirmed only so far as it leads him to greater experience, and this man with no qualms bows before someone who is greater than he, and can lead him to greater meaning, thus affirming hierarchy where it is useful.  There is a balance between self-affirmation, and self-mastery.  We want, essentially an "Ekistensens Jeger".  Such a person will have traits that are obviously manifested through achievement in any number of fields, be they athletic, academic, martial, or spiritual.