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October 06, 2012, 09:24:54 AM
Two shit-heads are driving and texting.  They crash into each other and die.  What caused their death?  What caused the crash?  Texting?  If they had been on foot and texting, they would not have died.  Maybe they would have walked into each other and said 'excuse me.'  So it's the cars then?  If they had been driving and not texting, they would have seen each other and swerved, so no.  So it's the cars and the texting combined into one factor?  But in the next town over, two shit heads are driving and texting and they drive past each other fine and dandy.  So no.  Happens all the time.  One person dies from a freak accident, the other person comes retardedly close to death and lives to tell the tale.  One person drives carelessly and lives, the other drives carefully and dies.  It involves so many unrelated circumstances and factors that one might as well call it fate.  Fate must be taken into account.  There is always a wild card.

Re: Fate
October 06, 2012, 07:24:49 PM
It is a function of probability with variable factors affecting the chances of something occuring. However, this is preceded by a process of natural selection which affects the likely factors attributable to a given individual.

Wiser people (more responsible/earlier maturation/delayed gratification/introspective) may be less likely to adopt factors that negatively affect their probability of favorable outcomes which includes, significantly per the example, their ability to propagate their own dna due to having survived long enough.

In contrast, the impulsive and extroverted would more likely find themselves driving while spontaneously or compulsively texting more often. Thus, a little bit of neglect of the roadways would help rid us of the metropolitan socializers and their culture of dysgenics to a greater extent and put some bank back in the public trough to boot.

Re: Fate
October 07, 2012, 09:38:35 AM
The causal chain is too complex to decipher completely.  Fate is simply a term for the absolute necessity implied by causality.

Re: Fate
October 07, 2012, 11:19:33 AM
Fate is like the factor OF factors.  It's like factorness


Re: Fate
October 09, 2012, 04:21:48 PM
If there are so many variables at play, then fate itself becomes more of a variable rather than something predetermined. Self discipline vs environment makes more sense.


Re: Fate
October 09, 2012, 11:30:18 PM
The word "tree" is different from an actual tree.

Insisting on a reason for why things happen is dissociation from the nature of the happening.

Asking what 'caused' the death of the two texting shitheads is conceptual dissociation of the specific event from the overall physical pattern of reality at large.

Inability to accept a tree as a non-tree is to fail to realize the emptiness within one's own self.

Asking how the death of the two texting shitheads could have been avoided rather than why it happened recognizes that people close to the event could have intervened.

Lamenting over the incident makes the incident meaningless or in vain by reducing your sense of power and your ability to intervene in your own life.

Re: Fate
October 15, 2012, 11:11:03 PM
Asking what 'caused' the death of the two texting shitheads is conceptual dissociation of the specific event from the overall physical pattern of reality at large.

I find it amazing how few people understand this.  This should be one of the starting points of any philosophical inquiry.

Re: Fate
October 16, 2012, 09:48:29 AM
I mean to imply the opposite of determinism.  A sort of ultimate chance factor.

So to quote Lemmy once again, the texting shitheads were KILLED BY DEATH