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Mystical Thinking.

Mystical Thinking.
March 01, 2013, 10:48:27 AM
Who can spot the deliberate error in the title?
You may be a mystic, or you may be a thinker, but you may not be both at the same time.
Mysticism being the absence of thought, and thought being the absence of mysticism.
Something is whatever it is, until you run it through your thought-machine, ending up with whatever you think it is.
One may learn to suspend thought, at will, thus attaining the ability to become mystical.
This does not mean one is unable to think.
Only that one now has the choice of whether to think, or not.

Highly recommended: the ability to not-think, when thinking does not serve.

Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 01, 2013, 03:09:32 PM
I don't like the use of the word "thus," I think...

Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 01, 2013, 03:52:37 PM
I don't like the use of the word "thus," I think...

Then, mystically speaking, you must actually like it.  Good, I agree, 'thus' is a fine word!

Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 01, 2013, 05:28:25 PM
Sometimes I try to think things out with logic, other times I go with my gut feeling. Using the two together without relying on either helps develop natural intuition. This is a true form of strength.

Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 02, 2013, 06:15:23 AM
I dont know if I understand.

If mysticism is the perception of 'what is', isn't that = reality?
If thinking adds incorrect perception/bias/damned human stupidity, doesn't that = illusion?

Why would one ever desire thought over mysticism? When would thinking serve?

Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 02, 2013, 09:01:05 AM
Thinking is for problem-solving. You got a problem? You need to think.
Other times, you don't need to think.

Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 03, 2013, 12:31:11 AM
When I encounter a situation that calls for less thought and more...whatever, I'll let you know.

I wouldn't hold my breath for too long, were I you...

Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 03, 2013, 01:07:12 AM
For humans there are not really pure discursive thougth, unlike for a computer (if/then/else,) and neither purely intuitive thougth, as a feeling alway has an object

Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 03, 2013, 01:08:57 AM
Humans use fuzzy logic and they invent explanations for their doings even if they if they stemm from some feelings and hunches.

Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 03, 2013, 07:31:18 AM
All my best thoughts come when I'm not thinking.


Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 06, 2013, 10:17:42 PM
So if a person engages in thinking half of the time and in mysticism the other half, may they not be called a 'mystical thinker'? Like a peaceful warrior, a transcendent nihilist, a moral capitalist or, dare I say, an intelligent Republican?

I'm all for straightening out semantics and the stereotypes they nest, but I think mysticism and thought are two sides of the same coin both, if used well, leading to the same conclusions. I think it takes the one to fully recognize and appreciate the truth of the other.

Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 07, 2013, 07:58:33 PM
As usual I disagree. But don't let that bother you.
Mysticism can not be reached or realized by way of the mind.
Which is why drugs may show a vague image of other realms, but can never transport you to them.
The mind is for mind stuff. Repairing tumble dryers, watching the visuals, man, etc.
The soul, if indeed you have one, is used to reach behind and beyond the material.
The eye of the needle.
No brain is going to squeeze you through that.
You must leave the brain, and everything else, behind, to go there.


Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 07, 2013, 09:03:36 PM
I think the mind is important in order to help a person arrive at a conclusion or belief allowing them to leave the mind behind; we didn't choose to start our minds but we can choose to stop them. Also I do not believe we are born in a disgusting ego merely to suffer, I do not believe it's some cruel joke--not because the universe is necessarily benevolent but because it is efficient and minimizes waste--rather I believe we need to go through the trials of the ego to gain experience and individuality. If we were suddenly born into a mystical, immortal state without ever having known scarcity, want, simple pleasures and the accomplishments of effort, I could see us quickly becoming conceited, lackadaisical and ultimately unable to survive.

Cue Q?

Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 07, 2013, 09:28:52 PM
Well, if you gotta believe something, then that is not a bad belief.
I cite my various meetings with retards and not-all-there types, over the years.
They seem curiously content with their lot. Unlike the clever ones.
Which leads me to wonder if the brain defeats itself, more often than not.
All Zen is, really, is the suspension of the thinking-state.
Easier for some than for others.


Re: Mystical Thinking.
March 07, 2013, 09:46:34 PM
It's funny, on any spirituality forum we'd be bashed for neither of us proposing the path of the heart as the way to move beyond the mind. That honestly makes me feel warm and fuzzy, maybe you and I are bonding (please detect my whimsicality).