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Senses

Senses
April 22, 2013, 08:11:04 PM
While I'm walking in the forest, I've noticed that my senses seem to expand. I have a 360 degree sphere of perception rather than noticing only what's in front of me. (Hearing especially. it's amazing how much sound I block out during the day.)

Does technology induce stupor? If we paid full attention to our surroundings would we go crazy?

Phoenix

Re: Senses
April 22, 2013, 10:32:20 PM
When you're surrounded by walls it's hard to have awareness past those walls. And I don't mean metaphorical walls, I mean actual ones. In the forest there's tons of emptiness and places for the senses to go.

Re: Senses
April 23, 2013, 12:09:57 AM
While I'm walking in the forest, I've noticed that my senses seem to expand. I have a 360 degree sphere of perception rather than noticing only what's in front of me. (Hearing especially. it's amazing how much sound I block out during the day.)
Does technology induce stupor? If we paid full attention to our surroundings would we go crazy?
 

Would we go crazy? No. I haven't. But some could, quite easily.
The 360 degrees you mention identifies you as one who has awareness. Most have senses that stop a foot in front and at the side limits of their peripheral vision.
That 360 awareness is actually limitless, once you accept that it is.
My ears are dangerously sensitive, when I'm around cities.

Re: Senses
April 23, 2013, 03:42:34 PM
When you're surrounded by walls it's hard to have awareness past those walls. And I don't mean metaphorical walls, I mean actual ones. In the forest there's tons of emptiness and places for the senses to go.
Modern architecture is especially limiting. Buildings like this try to expand the senses, at least as much is possible in a human construct. Whereas, something like this is designed to press down on perception.

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Would we go crazy? No. I haven't. But some could, quite easily.
The 360 degrees you mention identifies you as one who has awareness. Most have senses that stop a foot in front and at the side limits of their peripheral vision.
That 360 awareness is actually limitless, once you accept that it is.
My ears are dangerously sensitive, when I'm around cities.
Any ideas on how to bring the mentality of the forest into the city? Or are they too opposed?

Re: Senses
April 23, 2013, 05:33:51 PM
The forest is the forest, you cant transpose a forest mentality into the city because it isnt a mentality, its an experience.

Re: Senses
April 23, 2013, 06:27:29 PM
I might have done some misinterpreting here...
The forest can lead to increased awareness, but that is not useful in a city.
Increased awareness seems to be the last thing you'd want, if you live in a city.
I've found that while it is possible to increase awareness, it's a one-way thing.
Once increased, you can never decrease it.

My wife, for example, was very shut-down living her city life. Cities make that necessary with their endless over-abundance of stimulation and noise. Once she left all that behind, she became far more aware, and open. Now she claims it would be unthinkable to ever go back to city life.


Re: Senses
April 23, 2013, 07:56:26 PM
My question was unnecessarily vague. A better way of asking it: is there a way of noticing all the colors and noises of the city without letting it effect oneself?

Right now, if I go into a city I just try to block it all out or it starts to bother me.

Re: Senses
April 23, 2013, 08:29:20 PM
If you can be in a city with wide-open senses, you're capable of something I am absolutely not.
I can do it, and have done it, for long periods, but it was very, very unpleasant.
So I would say, no, you can't; at least not comfortably or constructively.
In my case, such a state led inexorably to depression.

And, on a lighter note: I haven't been depressed in years, and seem completely immune to it now.


Re: Senses
April 23, 2013, 08:37:30 PM
The Eskimos had near zero vision imparement before the colonization.

Some of the indians of the North also experienced an immense decay in dental health after the shift to european foods.

Us born under this horrible modern plauge have the modernity worked in under the skin to a large degree, but as we have never experience else, we will not be aware of how influenced we are by the modernitys plauge: not just in a cultural, but in a biological way.

Generation-X and onwards have been brainwashed in kindergartens and schools, where we have all been made about two times more fags than we would have been naturally, and we have been made 10 times more neurotic than naturally.

We can never wholly escape from ourselves, but the relief of being out and away can perhaps give a taste what lies in your natural aptitude as a non modern, natural person.

Re: Senses
April 23, 2013, 08:42:59 PM
The challenge lies not in escaping ourselves, but becoming ourselves.
In contrast to whatever it is that society would force us to become.

Re: Senses
April 23, 2013, 09:32:11 PM
Yes, but my point was rather, that your biological attributes, like senses or personality characteristics, or something like reflexes, migth have been altered from what they would have been under  formation in a more natural environment.

Ofcourse, at any moment we must try to do our best with what we have, and not excuse any inaction with a victimization narrative.

Re: Senses
April 23, 2013, 09:44:55 PM
You are right, of course. Live an unnatural life, and you become unnatural.
So what is so good about being natural, anyway?
There's a whole new line of debate, I suppose.
But I would say, being natural does not put one at odds with nature, and contrary to what socialists believe, nature is what defines us all, including whether we live or die. Better to be aligned with our entire support-system, than to be at odds with it, as we are when humans become the one and only concern to humans.


Re: Senses
April 24, 2013, 07:02:01 AM
Well, being more 'natural' is acting and being approximate to what we could call our natural tendencies, as they are programmed biologically.

For example what Kaczynski calls the power process, the way to get a feeling of fullfilment from life, is such a natural tendency that must be respected lest one become depressed or bored. We must also respect those deep lying tendencies which makes us humans in the first place.

Meeting all that insanity from early in life makes us tamed like caged beasts. Our attitudes are molded prehand after those patterns of our "caged" environment so we react in a certain way when we experience something new. Our "cage" and "taming" being that we adapt our attitudes to fit the absurd modern social consensus.

You know, evolution made you to be a huntsman and a farmer, and your natural cultural baggage should be integral to that to be natural.

Being an industry worker or an office drone in inhumane, undignifying, alienating in every way possible.

Re: Senses
April 27, 2013, 05:51:05 PM
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Us born under this horrible modern plauge have the modernity worked in under the skin to a large degree, but as we have never experience else, we will not be aware of how influenced we are by the modernitys plauge: not just in a cultural, but in a biological way.

Generation-X and onwards have been brainwashed in kindergartens and schools, where we have all been made about two times more fags than we would have been naturally, and we have been made 10 times more neurotic than naturally.

There are maaaaaany many things to consider if you start thinking this way. Actually there is a platonic truth out there, waiting to be found. An infinity of possibilities. There are things like MODERN(altered)-wheat and easily accesible live streaming porn for which there are theories that claim they are harmful, theories which seem VERY scientific and invoke evolutionary biology, EXACTLY the same way you do, at least in part. Some time during my life I became increasingly suspicious of the benign nature of TV and video games, but didn't find any evidence to support my theories that they might be somewhat harmful, I still suspect them though for a variety of things (decreasing the need to go out of your house because your brain assumes there is social interaction to be made INSIDE the four walls... hence making you inactive, or if you wish a fag).

Wow.... this thing is huge really... I might consider opening a new thread solely about it. As I said there is a whole superstructure of truth out there, if you start thinking this way.