Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length

Love

Love
June 22, 2013, 10:49:29 AM
Love...

There has been a couple of topics floating around vaguely addressing the question of love, what it is, where it comes from and where it is going, but all in relation to procreation, and relationships, which I feel is secondary to the real issue. Love deserves a thread of its own.

My view on the matter is pretty much summed up by this wonderful quote from Charles Manson, from his interview with Charlie Rose (conducted in 1986 - my year of birth):

'Everything is love. There's nothing that isn't love. Even the confusion is love in one form or another. It's misguided. Love is a word that we use to supplement for God. Or, I would like-, I would rather use the word intelligence. If you're going to use the word love, use the word intelligence - because love is misunderstood in so many ways and fashions'.

(The interview can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4uT6ou_ZGw  -The quote appears around the 12-minute mark. Manson is way better seen/heard than he is read).

'Love' as word has been chained to the romantic, because the love between man and woman is about the only purity most people get to experience in their entire life. In reality, it is much more than that, though: Love is transcendence. It's and immediate and direct knowing. Unity through experience, or ultimate reality, or whatever you wanna call it.

The essential thing is: It cannot be explained - it must be experienced. If you have never experienced love, there's no possible way for you to understand it.

Manson calls love both God and intelligence because the experience is a melding away of the ego and catching a glimpse of an infinite order running through the All. One could call it the absolute continuity between the mind-body and reality, but that's not really accurate. It's more like an awakening: Your being becomes the eye of divinity, beholding everything it has created.

But love is also profane as fuck. It refuses to be chained down, and deflates all self-importance and grandeur. In love we touch upon the infinite by being the infinite in infinite ways. Whether this is a kiss or a smack in the mouth depends entirely on the situation-

One bizarre aspect of love - the power of love - is synchronicity. Suddenly, everything is about it. You realize what it's all about, but this realization is inexplainable. You can only hint at it, and point others in its direction, but they'll never see it unless they realize it themselves. Birds become words. The book of revelations becomes realism. Absurd and seemingly insignificant little phrases like 'it is it', 'it is what it is', 'that's it' takes on immense importance. (Danish: Det er det).

This is the origin of one of the famous clichés of being in love: Suddenly all the sentimental lovesongs on the radio takes on importance. It all becomes about that girl.

Since most are chained to the physical, they'll never realize that that girl is also about something else. She's just a link in the grand chain of being. It runs through everything, even fear, death, destruction, hate etc. These aren't always 'nice' to look in the eye. To avoid beholding the great light and dark of reality - and love will take you through these beautiful and horrible things if you run with it - humanity has build a fence around the 'safely' romantic, and call that love. Thus love becomes 'biology'. Ultimately, it becomes boring, or overtly complicated. Confusion

This is also the story of, why humanity has isolated itself from nature.

Enough words. I've already said too much.

Re: Love
June 22, 2013, 06:37:20 PM
Love isn't something one does, or even something that one feels.
Love is what one is, when one realizes it.



Re: Love
June 23, 2013, 10:35:39 AM
One of the great pop-music confusions: 'All you need is love'. In a way it's true, and in a way it is not: Since love is that which you are, you really don't need anything else. But once you realize this, you don't need it anymore. It's already there, and it has always been there.

Phoenix

Re: Love
June 26, 2013, 06:39:39 AM
There are different flavors for different people because it's not entirely an objective thing, to some extent it depends on subjective perspective. Flavors it can take on more or less for some than for others include awe, reverence, peacefulness, passion, faith, curiosity/exploration, tranquility, stoicism, etc. There are many combinations. Furthermore to describe "it" as a singular thing or process I think does injustice to the affair.

But be careful, there is also an insidious virus called love. It gets people thinking everything is OK, there are angels to look over you, there are infinite parallel realities to relativize / trivialize your life and free you from the responsibility of its stewardship, there are infinite lifetimes of reincarnation to free you from any concrete goal of liberating yourself from the cycle, time is an illusion and everything is eternal so there's never any rush or urgency, "you" don't actually exist apart from the sea of love so you're ultimately free of individual conscious control agency, transcendence is a constant process magically beyond any over-stimulation of serotonin and dopamine receptors towards an increasingly efficient indifference and disengagement from your very own self, the truth is exceedingly simple so you can be complacent instead of cultivating greater understanding, it is beyond human tangible grasp, words or full comprehension so you are free from having to identify what exactly are the limits of the human capacity, a fleeting glimpse of the ultimate reality affords you a memory to worship and to intellectually escape in as a substitute for reality.

Love is fire and it turns to ignorance when we forget the flames.

Re: Love
July 03, 2013, 05:20:36 AM
But be careful, there is also an insidious virus called love. It gets people thinking everything is OK, there are angels to look over you, there are infinite parallel realities to relativize / trivialize your life and free you from the responsibility of its stewardship, there are infinite lifetimes of reincarnation to free you from any concrete goal of liberating yourself from the cycle, time is an illusion and everything is eternal so there's never any rush or urgency, "you" don't actually exist apart from the sea of love...etc.

Is that love, or self-love?

It seems to me that ego-negation, for most people, means that they believe the whole world is a creation of their own ego.

They can't spot the ego, so they assume it is gone, when really, they just draped it over everything and called it egoless.