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The world government

The world government
August 04, 2013, 01:24:20 AM
Below is an admitedlly poor translation of a text warning about the plans for a world government.

If you think that because you're white, american, healthy, fit, smart, genius or something, you're free from this oppresion, think again. Money, power, circumstances, rules the world, not your damned "brains".

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To fabricate a World Government the following is needed:

1)An awakened and disciplined elite of perfectly ideologized men to the millenial plan of world domination that Jehovah promised them thousands of years ago. This is already here.

2) Millions of servants of this elite, who belong to it and believe that they'll have some place in the World Government, like being servants or prostitutes of the future masters of the world. Those idiots seem to ignore that all servants are dispoable. Those are already available.

3) Several thousands of millions of idiots, most of them young, mentally retarded also called "sleeping men", in general lovers of football, masturbation and alcohol, who will be the slaves of the World Government. The young and beautiful women will serve as prostitution, the rest will only be fit for extracting organs and for medical experiments. Those are also already available.
4) The 96% of phyisical gold extant in the world, monopolized by this dominant elite. The rest of the 4% they will take soon. This is already happening.
5) A financial crisis self-provoked, like 9/11, but world-wide, wit the disoccupation and general hunger, social explosions and wars. By david rockefeller: "All that we need is the bigger crisis and the people will accept the New World Order". This is already happening.
6) to provoke the destruction of all trash paper money, meaning the dollar, euro, etc. to impose the reign of the gold monopoly. The masonic countries fall, thus, like all the servants, they are also disposable. This is also predicted.
7) Without work, money, electricity, water, food, telephone, internet, among a world chaos never seen before, thousands of millions psychic lobotomized, wrongly called men, will start to kill among each other, begging in screams for a world government, for one sole authority n the world that will give them back order and tranquility A world government with its three heads: military, finantial and religious.
8) one of the first measures will be to reduce world population to 500 million people, "for the good of the planet". The rest must die. This will be only the beginning.

Various of those ideas are on the speeches and declarations of David Rockefeller and similar sources. The supreme elite feels free to openly express their plans since years ago, knowing that the thousands of millions of idiots that populate the world do nt understand what they say. When they were warned and advised, the idiots did not believe in it, thought that it was conspiracy theories from crazies, nazis or criminals. There is no worse crazy than the one who does not want to awaken. They will realize too late how the papers and television have been rotting their brains for years, until transforming them in what they are: incurables. Now they will see who was right, but it will be late. All the evil that happens to them they will have deserved for being stupid.

"What I don't like about aids is that it kills too slowly. Another faster working stuff is needed". Guess who said that.

Re: The world government
August 04, 2013, 07:02:50 AM
If this is so, then the forces arrayed against anyone who disapproves, are unlikely to be defeated, or even slightly diverted by that disapproval.

Re: The world government
August 04, 2013, 09:22:05 AM
I gotta say two things, one, I'm not really sure about the nature of this text. I know that some of it is true, but I'm unsure how much of it is meant to deliberately shock and "wake people up".

Two, if the intention of the author is really to alert, I think it is one of those justified exaggerations. Example:

You are on a wooden plataform below which is a river with an alligator in it. You keep bowing down your spine to give treats of food to the alligator, who keeps biting closer and closer to your hand. Your friend nearby screams "What the hell, are you an idiot or what? This demonic beast is bent on destroying you, he practically chomped off your hand with the last bite!!!"

Of course the alligator did not "practically chomp off his hand". He'd had to at least touch his hand with its teeth for that to be true. But he came close... It may be that you are never bitten by the alligator. But your friend's warning has a reason.

There is also a third, for now occult reason, very trivial, why I posted this.  :P I'll be honest and say it later if anyone's interested.

Re: The world government
August 04, 2013, 11:56:19 PM
The problem with conspiracy theories is that they tend to bolster the enemy to Sauron-like proportions. Projecting everything we hate into some untouchable phantasm. The reality is that the enemy are most often idiots as we are.

Re: The world government
August 05, 2013, 12:26:59 AM
The problem with conspiracy theories is that they tend to bolster the enemy to Sauron-like proportions. Projecting everything we hate into some untouchable phantasm. The reality is that the enemy are most often idiots as we are.

When two idiots are pitted against one another, the more vicious and cruel idiot will win.

Re: The world government
August 05, 2013, 01:20:11 AM
Perhaps one might be able to rise above one's innate idiocy.

Re: The world government
August 05, 2013, 01:53:46 AM
There is no cabal of evil elites plotting to destroy the world, or bring it under their yoke. At least that is not their intent. Some would say this is because humans tend to see agency in the complex. They may be right to a degree. My own conviction is that there is agency indeed, that of the Enemy himself. For there is no good to Satan, despite the imagery of metal, he is the one who whispers in our hearts and nudges us away from the right path. This will not be an appealing explanation to those that do not believe or those who consider Satan a metaphor, but it is simple, straightforward and covers the situation completely.

Edited for clarity

Re: The world government
August 05, 2013, 07:30:14 AM
There is also a third, for now occult reason, very trivial, why I posted this.  :P I'll be honest and say it later if anyone's interested.
I certainly am. Anything occult is interesting, even when trivial. Guilty pleasure and all that.

The problem with conspiracy theories is that they tend to bolster the enemy to Sauron-like proportions. Projecting everything we hate into some untouchable phantasm. The reality is that the enemy are most often idiots as we are.
Agreed. Hanlon's razor...

My own conviction is that there is agency indeed, that of the Enemy himself. For there is no good to Satan, despite the imagery of metal, he is the one who whispers in our hearts and nudges us away from the right path. This will not be an appealing explanation to those that do not believe or consider Satan a metaphor, but it is simple, straightforward and covers the situation completely.
I don't understand why this would be unappealing to those who consider Satan to be an actual being with independent will. The idea of him being a tempter, as opposed to a direct destroyer, is completely in line with the Bible. He is not one who attacks you, but one who leads you away. If he were so direct, if a Christian were to immediately recognize his approach as malicious, he would never succeed.

At any rate, I absolutely consider Satan to be a metaphor, and I agree with you. Well, not so much a metaphor as a symbol, but nonetheless... Essentially, I see no reason to ascribe the evil that men do to an outside source. I don't even see evil as a thing in and of itself, much as I don't see vacuum, cold, darkness, stillness, lifelessness, or death as things; they are primordial states, or rather lack-of-states, uninterrupted by anything "being." I put "evil" in this same camp - evil is the "natural" state of the universe. There is no good and evil; there is only good, and the varying degrees to which it is absent.

Re: The world government
August 05, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
Take pol pot for example: If half the influential people in the world (who do not necessairily have to be famous or well known) have his mentality we're fucked. Hitler and Stalin too, and many others. (although I nurture a strange sympathy for hitler, which I've attributed partly to his charisma and partly to shock value and need to rebel).  If you think about it, most people don't care about the environment and many times do not care about their fellow humans or animals, or other parts of nature. A great deal of them not only don't care but are straight up cruel. Why would the influential people be different?

Is America concerned with the good of the world? Are the violent muslims? Is china? Do they want everyone in a fluffy bunny world, riding poneys in joy? Or do these peole want domination, which consequence besides slavery of others is death (of children, innocents, etc.), rape, torture, destruction. Most people have an innate rage and hate inside of them, the ones that do not balance it turn it inward or, more commonly, outward. In war, these people receive free pass to act out this hate, whatever the motive of the war is. Take the infernal actions of the army of soviet russia for example, when stalin encouraged them to rape and do whatever they want.


Look at what bradley mannign revealed (correct me if I'm wrong): Shitty americans shooting civilians for a laugh. And that's just what was captured on camera I bet they shoot much more civilians, kill and rape kids for fun, etc...

Now let's take a look at what some populations in history did with their power:

Nazis: Used the undesirables for medical experiment or killed

China, Russia, and other communist countries: Slave labour, abuse of undesirables, torture, sometimes degrading ,macabre actions on the streets.

Europeans in Americas: Killed indigenous population a lot, enslaved blacks, used blacks for rape, raped indigenous population. Took gold

It's the way it goes. The article is only describing a more extreme version of what happens, more extreme because this time, supposedly, the power would be in the hands of fewer people, over the whole world (Is that not what communism wished to achieve?)



Israel is also known for it's cruelty agains kids, and that's what went to the media. what did not went, but I bet they did many times also, is rape of kids and who knows what else.

Istaros: never knew you were interested in the occult. My guilty pleasure too. But I meant occult in its literal sense, hidden.

The occult reasons are, 1. I wanted to shock the people and see what their reaction would be.

2. I felt cool for being the only one with this "forbidden knowledge" that I translated. It's the joy of "fear porn".

Fear porn are people who are addicted to dangerous, cruel ideas like those

But that does not mean some of it is not true either...

Re: The world government
August 05, 2013, 12:54:06 PM
I don't understand why this would be unappealing to those who consider Satan to be an actual being with independent will. The idea of him being a tempter, as opposed to a direct destroyer, is completely in line with the Bible. He is not one who attacks you, but one who leads you away. If he were so direct, if a Christian were to immediately recognize his approach as malicious, he would never succeed.

Well, I said it would be unappealing to those who did not believe. It would certainly appeal to those who think Satan real.

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At any rate, I absolutely consider Satan to be a metaphor, and I agree with you. Well, not so much a metaphor as a symbol, but nonetheless... Essentially, I see no reason to ascribe the evil that men do to an outside source. I don't even see evil as a thing in and of itself, much as I don't see vacuum, cold, darkness, stillness, lifelessness, or death as things; they are primordial states, or rather lack-of-states, uninterrupted by anything "being." I put "evil" in this same camp - evil is the "natural" state of the universe. There is no good and evil; there is only good, and the varying degrees to which it is absent.

For some time I struggled with this, and essentially my position is close to yours. I believe, as you do, that the evil that men do requires no outside source to exist and become apparent. I believe, as you do, that evil is a privation; there is no "thing" evil in essence. Evil is in thought and action and it is a consequence of will; Satan being the most willful. I am not sure about evil being the natural state of the universe. If the universe is a sandcastle, then evil is a kick, not loose sand or nothing at all; but I see what you mean and will consider this further.

Satan the left-hand path metaphor is different from Satan the deceiver. It is in the unified direction and connection between the decay that afflicts the world that I see Satan. All caused by men, even motivated by men, but the whisperer plots so that it may all be brought down. He preys on us by pushing and nudging. This is an intuitive position, not a rational one.

Many things considered to be inherently evil are good, like suffering, which is dispensed by God in His wisdom. I worship it without prejudice. I think this confusion, or difference of position, is one of the reasons metal music petered out. Anti-Christian imagery worked as a metaphor when there was something deeper to say (even incidentally), but it doesn't work literally.

On a personal note, I thought you had wandered into Christianity istaros, am I mistaken? Your position would certainly be heterodox if so.

Re: The world government
August 05, 2013, 06:24:27 PM
Istaros: never knew you were interested in the occult. My guilty pleasure too. But I meant occult in its literal sense, hidden.... I felt cool for being the only one with this "forbidden knowledge" that I translated. It's the joy of "fear porn".
No worries, I was taking the term in its literal sense. Cryptids and demons and whatnot can indeed fall under the umbrella it defines, but I meant anything secret or unknown is inherently fascinating. The "joy" you describe is what I was referring to when I said it was a guilty pleasure for me :p

Well, I said it would be unappealing to those who did not believe. It would certainly appeal to those who think Satan real.
It took me a few moments, even after reading this response, to figure out what you meant. Your original statement wasn't terribly clear - I read it as saying "this will not be an appealing explanation to those that do not believe Satan to be a metaphor OR consider Satan a metaphor." Basically, I read "believe or consider" as being two terms describing the same thing for emphasis. Not as "those that do not believe in Satan, nor to those who consider him to be a metaphor," which of course is what you meant. In short, I've got it now :)



I am not sure about evil being the natural state of the universe. If the universe is a sandcastle, then evil is a kick, not loose sand or nothing at all; but I see what you mean and will consider this further.
Given time, the sand castle will be destroyed by the natural processes occurring in its environment. The changing of the tide will weaken its structure. Wind will erode its surface. An earthquake may shatter it. And even the grains of sand from which it is built will eventually be annihilated, as the sun around which it orbits will eventually die. The idea that evil is the natural state can be easily confused because of the assumed weight we give to certain words - "evil," "natural," these things carry additional meaning beyond their most basic definitions. The core concept is not so much that evil is natural, but rather that good is a divergence. Unless one pursues it actively, it will not emerge. It has to be brought into being, it has to be DONE. The most popular acknowledgement of this basic idea, although I doubt many have thought about it strongly enough to see that it does in fact reflect the position I espouse, is the well-known quote of unknown origin: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Almost everyone seems to like this quote, but few people seem to have really considered what is necessary (on a larger scale) for it to be true.

Many things considered to be inherently evil are good, like suffering, which is dispensed by God in His wisdom. I worship it without prejudice. I think this confusion, or difference of position, is one of the reasons metal music petered out. Anti-Christian imagery worked as a metaphor when there was something deeper to say (even incidentally), but it doesn't work literally.
Completely dead-on. One of the greatest shames of the modern West, and it is particularly embarrassing in regards to its religion, is the idea that shame is a bad thing that we should never experience. But this is, as you suggest, just a smaller element of suffering overall, which is the real thing to be avoided in our culture now. And this will not help us; suffering contributes to our growth. I think you really hit on something with how that connects to the decline of metal.

On a personal note, I thought you had wandered into Christianity istaros, am I mistaken? Your position would certainly be heterodox if so.
I still don't know exactly what I am. But I do recognize the heresy of saying Satan, and in fact evil as a whole, doesn't "exist."

Re: The world government
August 05, 2013, 07:22:47 PM
With these definitions (which are lucid and insightful, and thanks for that) in mind, Satan worship seems to be much more dangerous and horrific than one would think using the widely-known Western "problem child" version of Christianity's anthropomorphized Satan.

Re: The world government
August 06, 2013, 08:28:05 PM
The core concept is not so much that evil is natural, but rather that good is a divergence. Unless one pursues it actively, it will not emerge. It has to be brought into being, it has to be DONE.

I dont agree with this, but my conception of the issue is informed by God. Evil is the divergence, and both good and evil must be pursued to emerge; they must be done like you said. The universe - all creation - is the act of the Lord, his Will or Word, and it is good. Privations of this are evil. The natural `nothing` state is God. If I did not believe in God I would agree with you without reservation I think, these are well conceived thoughts. This is why existence without a personality behind it makes no sense to me, like the Tao or other conceptions of metaphysical unity (see: Amerika and related sort-of spiritual secular/Nietzschean rightists). The Tao is truth, but it is missing the one whom it emanates from. It seems to me a positive step removed from the materialist`s `the universe is merely incidental` but still not quite there; `the universe is truth which is merely incidental`.

I must admit to being more annoyed by the latter than the former. If something is staring you in the face, if God himself stuffs it down your throat and you reject it anyway then you are wretched indeed. Oh well, I guess that is why we will have a judgment.

Re: The world government
August 07, 2013, 04:33:02 AM
The core concept is not so much that evil is natural, but rather that good is a divergence. Unless one pursues it actively, it will not emerge. It has to be brought into being, it has to be DONE.

I dont agree with this, but my conception of the issue is informed by God. Evil is the divergence, and both good and evil must be pursued to emerge; they must be done like you said. The universe - all creation - is the act of the Lord, his Will or Word, and it is good. Privations of this are evil. The natural `nothing` state is God. If I did not believe in God I would agree with you without reservation I think, these are well conceived thoughts. This is why existence without a personality behind it makes no sense to me, like the Tao or other conceptions of metaphysical unity (see: Amerika and related sort-of spiritual secular/Nietzschean rightists). The Tao is truth, but it is missing the one whom it emanates from. It seems to me a positive step removed from the materialist`s `the universe is merely incidental` but still not quite there; `the universe is truth which is merely incidental`.

I must admit to being more annoyed by the latter than the former. If something is staring you in the face, if God himself stuffs it down your throat and you reject it anyway then you are wretched indeed. Oh well, I guess that is why we will have a judgment.

I don't think that the universe is intrinsiqually good or bad. It's just is. Could can accept it as it is (reality) or reject it and suffer the consequence. There is no judgment as in a court. God is not stuffing it down our throat. He gives us Freedom wich can be a wondrous thing or an awful thing dependently how we use it. If not, I think god would have been able of making robots instead of humans.

Re: The world government
August 07, 2013, 11:13:11 AM
I don't think that the universe is intrinsiqually good or bad. It's just is. Could can accept it as it is (reality) or reject it and suffer the consequence.

This does not fit with an underlying metaphysical union to existence. Such a thing must be good, what else can be good? Why are there consequences to rejecting reality? It is because evil, being a privation, is unsustainable by definition. What you mention is a quite useful way of thinking, for it allows one to shed subjectivity, but after that is done one should not just stop at that point. Shedding all value allows one to appreciate underlying value. There is no "good" or "bad", and yet there is. It strikes me that considering good and evil purely subjectively, or pragmatically, has nothing to do with whether there is objective good and evil. Sort of like taste in metal, there are as many subjective experiences as experiencers, but we agree there is an objective standard.

I consider what you mean in your post to be like a reset button for the soul. Too easy to get lost in the social-as-reality even for the loners.

If the Lord gives us will, and it can be a wonderous thing (sounds like good to me) or an awful thing (sounds like evil) depending on how it is used then we probably share positions, with some of the difference being semantic. I also believe, due to revealed knowledge, that he will hold us accountable for it after our death. My philosophy is informed by scripture, it is too easy to settle on a flawed premise and proceed from there if all you use is yourself.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Almost everyone seems to like this quote, but few people seem to have really considered what is necessary (on a larger scale) for it to be true.

I would point out that the quote is not "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that no one do anything".