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Representation of male feminsm

Representation of male feminsm
August 12, 2013, 11:16:15 AM
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This could still turn out to be some kind of hoax, but it appears that prominent male feminist Hugo Schwyzer went off his meds after his recent public shaming and desperate cry for attention ”suicide attempt,” and then had a massive confessional Twitter meltdown.
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If these tweets were really from Hugo, he’s admitted that he did it all for the nookie — and some desperately needed attention. He’s admitted that he “talked his way into teaching women’s studies” on the basis of two undergrad courses (his expertise is apparently in British medieval church history) and then “built a career as a well-known online male feminist.” He said he “read one book of Kimmel’s and made [himself] an expert on men and masculinity.” He’s said that he “kept mocking socially awkward men as creeps as a way of making [himself] look better.” He admitted to using his status as a male feminist sexually, even to have sex with a porn star. He “wrote an article in the Atlantic condemning age-disparate relationships the same week that [he] was sleeping with a 23 year-old. And sexting a 27 year-old.” He said that he “I loved being the most notorious bad boy male feminist out there,” and that he “cultivated that shit so hard.”

http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2013/08/is-this-what-a-male-feminists-brain-looks-like/

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 12, 2013, 03:12:02 PM
Man this made my day when it hit. Schwyzer was the most despicable boot-licking opportunist wretch I had ever seen. Still is I guess, because he backtracked from all of that twitter stuff citing his addictions and mental illness, but his tactic of vulnerable honesty wont work this time. You gave too much away Schwyze, its over!

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 12, 2013, 04:26:43 PM
I've always felt that treachery was the worst of the worst attributes a human could have.
Male feminists are right down at the bottom of the septic tank.

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 12, 2013, 06:28:55 PM
I've always felt that treachery was the worst of the worst attributes a human could have.
Male feminists are right down at the bottom of the septic tank.

Ranking sins in a heirarchy has always been a weird concept to me, but you are exactly right.

Women are usually too easy to take advantage of. Maybe that's because they lack critical thinking skills that more men are genetically equipped with. I don't know the reason but it is a shameful thing to watch a woman fall for these kind of ploys. In this case I feel less sympathy for the women and more shame for my fellow men.

Phoenix

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 14, 2013, 04:56:04 AM
Male feminists are right down at the bottom of the septic tank.

If Mr. Schwyzer is truly "the most despicable boot-licking opportunist wretch" then I doubt he's a good representation of all men sympathetic towards feminism.

Women are usually too easy to take advantage of. Maybe that's because they lack critical thinking skills that more men are genetically equipped with. I don't know the reason but it is a shameful thing to watch a woman fall for these kind of ploys.

It's ridiculous to use this isolated incident as an argument that women are less discerning than men; especially considering that Schwyzer was marketing himself primarily to women, so it's highly unlikely that he would have deceived lots men. Many arguments can be made in favor of women, for example in the third world if you give a woman money they are more likely to invest it wisely rather than spend it on drugs or weapons (or women). But ultimately we're all individuals, nobody's fundamentally defined by gender roles, wouldn't you agree?

In this case I feel less sympathy for the women and more shame for my fellow men.

Your pride and conviction in manhood seems rather delicate to be so easily shamed.

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 14, 2013, 05:07:08 AM
I always knew there was something rather odd about you.
It's funny you should suddenly re-surface like this: I was, only yesterday, wondering where you had gone.

Phoenix

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 14, 2013, 05:10:27 AM
It's pretty hilarious alright.

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 14, 2013, 08:18:41 AM
If Mr. Schwyzer is truly "the most despicable boot-licking opportunist wretch" then I doubt he's a good representation of all men sympathetic towards feminism.

While generally far more successful than most of those people, Schwyze fits the preppy sensitive betaboy male feminist type, the kind of person who is likely to stuff a carrot up his ass then crow about how comfortable he is in his own heterosexuality all day. I partially agree with you, he is far more representative of jewry than male feminists, but a male feminist is a bootlicker and opportunist almost by definition.



The other kind is the man at the bottom of the desirability scale, guys like David Futrelle:



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But ultimately we're all individuals, nobody's fundamentally defined by gender roles, wouldn't you agree?

If gender roles exist of course they fundamentally define us. If you were female, you would be fundamentaly different. Unless you are one of the former category of male feminists, in which case probably not.

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 14, 2013, 03:20:58 PM
If gender roles exist of course they fundamentally define us. If you were female, you would be fundamentally different.

The key point here seems to be on the use of the word "fundamentally". I suspect the applicability of this is equivalent to a bell curve.

Out of curiosity, how are those here familiar with these people? Apart from this forum, I have no idea how/why I'd come across this stuff.

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 14, 2013, 04:48:58 PM
Male feminists are right down at the bottom of the septic tank.

If Mr. Schwyzer is truly "the most despicable boot-licking opportunist wretch" then I doubt he's a good representation of all men sympathetic towards feminism.

Women are usually too easy to take advantage of. Maybe that's because they lack critical thinking skills that more men are genetically equipped with. I don't know the reason but it is a shameful thing to watch a woman fall for these kind of ploys.

It's ridiculous to use this isolated incident as an argument that women are less discerning than men; especially considering that Schwyzer was marketing himself primarily to women, so it's highly unlikely that he would have deceived lots men. Many arguments can be made in favor of women, for example in the third world if you give a woman money they are more likely to invest it wisely rather than spend it on drugs or weapons (or women). But ultimately we're all individuals, nobody's fundamentally defined by gender roles, wouldn't you agree?

In this case I feel less sympathy for the women and more shame for my fellow men.

Your pride and conviction in manhood seems rather delicate to be so easily shamed.

Nobody is fundamentally defined by gender roles : I agree. "Gender roles" are culturally defined and therefore possible to destruct.

Everyone is fundamentally defined by gender, though. Disagree with this? You must submit to the idea of that all people are in essence a "blank slate"; you must admit to the idea of a non-physical persona; you must admit to superstition. Genetic history defines at least as much if not more than cultural influence. If anything, cultural influence is more fragile.

I agree that is is "ridiculous to use this isolated incident as an argument that women are less discerning than men". Why would you do that?  :)

Unfortunately, I have too much experience with this sort of warped post-feminism bullshit because I spent most of my youth involved in punk and hardcore music and those scenes are riddled with this sort of idiocy.

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 14, 2013, 04:49:38 PM

In this case I feel less sympathy for the women and more shame for my fellow men.

Your pride and conviction in manhood seems rather delicate to be so easily shamed.

Call me a hopeless romantic.

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 14, 2013, 05:25:18 PM
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Nobody is fundamentally defined by gender roles : I agree. "Gender roles" are culturally defined and therefore possible to destruct.
Either one takes the position that women=women and men=men, or they don't.

That choice is one of the dividing questions in modernity.

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 14, 2013, 05:37:42 PM
There are gender roles because gender roles work.
My wife and I are ancient enough to know this.
She is an ancient housewife. I am an ancient caveman.
It's bliss.

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 14, 2013, 10:13:29 PM
Out of curiosity, how are those here familiar with these people? Apart from this forum, I have no idea how/why I'd come across this stuff.

From `manosphere` websites primarily. These are mostly worthless (especially the majority of MRA sites) but the best are explorations of masculinity using a combination of recent scientific work and older wisdom. All are anti-feminist and as a result reactionary, though only these best ones extend this to anti-liberalism and reaction:



Jack Donovan, whose website is linked in the first post, is the most significant to me personally in terms of thought process and a holistic worldview. I would recommend him to the posters here. Chateau heartiste, run by manosphere figure Roissy is probably the most important otherwise. Dalrock is a more virtuous and Christian take on similar matters. The Spearhead is the best website that limits itself to real world issues and anti-feminism, and has given voice to liberal writers as long as they are anti-feminist. Prozak`s take, groin.com is also excellent but provides rather broad, disconnected summaries in the vein of Amerika and the website is not very active.

Phoenix

Re: Representation of male feminsm
August 15, 2013, 02:27:32 AM
Everyone is fundamentally defined by gender, though.

Agreed.

I'm a male. I recognize that there's tons of discrimination out there against women. There's also some out there against men, but that's a different topic. Against women the discrimination is institutionalized in government, religion, big business and marketing. I'm opposed to this discrimination, like I am to all prejudicial discrimination. Lots of men are. But does this make them male feminists? What's a male feminist? I have no particular desire to describe myself with the label "feminist" but when asked I'll say I'm pro-feminism simply because I'm against the discrimination against women. I think it's a very important issue in this day and age. But I don't have any relationship with the feminist movement nor do I take action in cooperation with it. When I talk about women or when I speak with women, I naturally reflect my values in my words and my interpersonal communication, where I don't try to defend women but I simply express myself normally and I treat them as equals. I'll stand up for what I believe in, but that goes for everything I believe in, not just this issue. It seems I've stumbled onto a hot-button word here though in the term "feminist". I'm certainly not very informed about the feminist movement or feminist philosophy.