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Humans are not Intelligent

Humans are not Intelligent
November 08, 2013, 06:42:40 PM
If humans are the most intelligent creatures around, why have they destroyed the ecosystem that sustains them?

Why have they created social systems they despise?

Why did they invent nu-metal?



Do humans have any redemptive traits?
Liberalism is moral syphilis.

- Jonathan Bowden

Re: Humans are not Intelligent
November 08, 2013, 06:51:57 PM
Logic is inherently irrational, deriving meaning based on the impossibility of nothing. We have imposed a society upon nature and in the process destroyed the magic souls that have derived us, and we are left with animals for men. Enjoy the divinity.
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Re: Humans are not Intelligent
November 08, 2013, 07:11:01 PM
Intelligence is one of those things so beloved by humans that they never question its value, or consider what it might be useful for. It may, in fact, be more of a handicap than a boon, used as it so often is, to stand in for adaptability, or the cultivation of wisdom.

Crows, for example, are said by almost everyone to be very intelligent, but this is not the case.
They simply display a quality that most humans are unable to identify, and so, instead, they call it intelligence.
What it really is, is a form of highly-refined on-the-fly adaptability, to any and all situations they may find themselves in.

Intelligence is manipulation of what-is, for personal gain. Which is not a bad thing, and often very useful.
But like a hammer, a useful tool becomes a means of destruction, if used for everything.


Squawk!

Re: Humans are not Intelligent
November 08, 2013, 09:11:22 PM
They have intellect, but not wisdom.
From Brazil

Re: Humans are not Intelligent
November 08, 2013, 09:32:40 PM
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Intelligence is manipulation of what-is, for personal gain. Which is not a bad thing, and often very useful.
But like a hammer, a useful tool becomes a means of destruction, if used for everything.


My problem with this is that what humans have done has not been to their advantage, in terms of well-being. The only thing it's aided is population growth, but we're reaching a point when we're going to breed ourselves into global starvation. It is entirely plausible that we will cause our own extinction - and then it would have to be considered that intelligence has been our greatest hindrance rather than a benefit. Chimpanzees aren't building nuclear bombs.

We have the intelligence to construct systems, but are too stupid to foresee their results.
Liberalism is moral syphilis.

- Jonathan Bowden

Re: Humans are not Intelligent
November 08, 2013, 10:03:18 PM
You're talking about artificial intelligence.
Meh

Re: Humans are not Intelligent
November 08, 2013, 11:54:36 PM
It's just that we have the bad habit of romaticizing nature, animals and their mistakes in general.

It's obvious that by its capacity, mankind has the chance of the most fuck-ups of all. Be it psychological, ethical, courage, stupidity of whatever: Because more complex things require high-maintenance, it has also the most chance to crash, and a most monumental crash. Take the ecosystems, which are so complex because spanning thousands of kilometers, yet when they go into entropy there comes monumental dread like floods, etc...

But take the animal realm: We don't kow what goes on their minds. To our mind, a society gone bad, a society gone sour, unethical, immoral, idiotic, is bad, terrible. But what of the animal that is mutilated? What of the animal that just wanted to chill and take care, of its family, of its friends, and endp up chewed in the mouth of some predator?

Things go wrong for animals also. It's just that our keen and sensitive aesthetic style coupled with our keen psychological sensitiveness + the denial necessary to maintain the social orderand the pecking order (studied among others by sigmind freud) makes it seem like we are hell bent, but isn't this too much of a satirical point of view? Can't animals have irony in their lives also? Or just us?
You're quite hostile.

I got a right to be hostile, man, my people been persecuted!

Re: Humans are not Intelligent
November 09, 2013, 12:03:25 AM
Animals would neither think of, nor contemplate, any of this.
That is what nature is: it is what it is, and does what it does.
Nothing else in nature, but us, intellectualizes every moment of its existence.
Squawk!

Re: Humans are not Intelligent
November 09, 2013, 04:28:07 AM
They have intellect, but not wisdom.

Bingo. The former is easy. We're either born with it or not and far more likely not. The latter however isn't any more common and it furthermore requires something of us during the course of life to even manifest.

Proverbs in the bible might be summed up as the reward of wisdom through obedience and attention to higher order. One would do so because this higher order are traditionally subjects of love and trust such as a father (God, King, tribal elder and so forth).

Young folks might begin there but its thesis exactly contradicts today's crowd revolt sentiment, the gateway to social acceptance.
”The Revolution ends by devouring its own children” – Jacques Mallet du Pan, 1793

Re: Humans are not Intelligent
November 09, 2013, 12:34:09 PM
Animals would neither think of, nor contemplate, any of this.
That is what nature is: it is what it is, and does what it does.
Nothing else in nature, but us, intellectualizes every moment of its existence.

True, but intellect is not the same as despair. When an animal is being eaten alive, were he to have something similar to thinking (which they do, they produce different tones of noises to communicate, parrots can learn to speak and form sentences, etc), it would be like "Oh no, god damn it! This is messed up!!!"

To think otherwise makes it seem like the animal is like some impartial buddhist or something. You can see their anger in their faces.

Note also how the most animalistic reactions in humans, that you can see all over their expression, but mostly in their faces and voice tone, are also the ones who most have to do with dissatisfaction, disgust, moral reprehension, a feeling that something is inherently wrong.
You're quite hostile.

I got a right to be hostile, man, my people been persecuted!

Re: Humans are not Intelligent
November 09, 2013, 12:52:22 PM
apropos of that, I had a friend who traveled to Sweden, and brought a parrot who only spoke Swedish, when we talk in Spanish did not understand, lol?????