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Self and Selfless

Self and Selfless
January 20, 2014, 02:22:54 AM
As far as Iím concerned this is now the only way to see the world. You talk to someone and they either really talk to you (i.e. two way communication, a dialogue) or are just using the interaction as a springboard to ventilate whatever has been going on in their life lately. This might even come in the form of a seemingly genuine interest or concern for the person they are talking to, but I get a strong sense that even this is more of learned behaviour to help disguise their extreme selfishness.

The irony is in the chain reaction this causes. If youíre the type to want to fit into a healthy group or community, youíre also going to start not caring when you realize no one else does.

Re: Self and Selfless
January 20, 2014, 06:04:46 AM
Good eye. There is no limit to the refining of one's powers of observation.


Re: Self and Selfless
January 20, 2014, 03:26:08 PM
The irony is in the chain reaction this causes. If youíre the type to want to fit into a healthy group or community, youíre also going to start not caring when you realize no one else does.

Wouldn't it be unhealthy if no one cares about each other, or anything at all?

Re: Self and Selfless
January 20, 2014, 06:21:07 PM
Paradox. Yes, it would. No, it wouldn't.
Language is unable to differentiate.

Re: Self and Selfless
January 20, 2014, 10:30:08 PM
Itís a natural desire to want to fit into a healthy group (i.e. small tight-knit community) and likewise to want distance from an unhealthy group (modern cosmopolitan cities).

Re: Self and Selfless
January 21, 2014, 01:59:48 AM
A famous American from a past generation said there were three kinds of minds.

The lowest dwelled on topics involving people and their issues: "Did you see Jane's new hairdo?"

Next up were centered around various events that come and go during life: "Hey let's watch the new Vampire Diaries tonight!"

The highest and rarest, she believed, tended to favor ideas best of all: "Open season on humans too."

Re: Self and Selfless
January 21, 2014, 02:26:31 AM
Sometimes caring about the self is just a reflection about how much someone cares about other "things", in a selfish way. Struggling desperately to preserve the self translates as struggling desperately to preserve the present, which is elusive and illusory. To see the present as what it is (an indeterminacy sandwiched between other indeterminacies) is the same as seeing the self for what it is; that is, indeterminate; not there, but not unreal, yet not *as* real as the rest of the universe, which is defined by everything that the self is not.

This selfish perspective is probably the basis of egotism, which necessarily is reflected outwardly as materialism. The idea that "things" are what they are, and can be expected to stay that way, because they are comprised of some definable essence* that makes them a "thing" separate from other "things".

*The essence is actually a mere mental construct, still not *unreal* but infinitely less immediate and substantial than that which is defined by what the mental construct is not.

I think most of us here know, that such is not the case. The closer you look at a "thing", the more apparent it becomes that the "thing" is less its own and more of a configuration of substance, a facade, only artificially its own creation; not truly independent of the substance from which other configurations are made.

It is the same as confusing the notes coming from an instrument with the instrument that produces the notes. Notes, being the "things" that appear (to the untrained eye) to be so individual and like stand-alone entities. The musician knows that this is obviously not the case; he plays the instrument from which all possible notes pour from.

"As above, so below."




 - Schopenhauer Wannabe No. 127