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--- Quote from: badmash on February 24, 2014, 09:16:06 PM ---A strange us vs. them has developed amongst contributing, intelligent users. Real nihilists vs. Fake nihilists, imposed by immediate exclusion.
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I've noticed that too. Nihilism acquires a fantasy credentialed status and a private forum image which can only come from loading it with social value. We true nihilists are the in-club you see.

I'd rather spend my time picking up ancient beer cans and tires to have my little patch of woods cleared before spring.

Ve still vant ze money, Lebowski, or veee fuck you up.

Anyway, if policing/maintaining the forum isn't rewarding for you don't do it. Political revolutions only seem to be successful when the instigators are tapping into preexisting sentiment in the crowd anyway - i.e. preaching to the choir. Icelandic vulcanism probably had more of an impact on the french revolution than any enlightenment ideals. Severely traumatic events are required before a person's protective relationship with the preexisting Symbolic Order/Big Other/god is shattered. Once gone, it can be arbitrarily replaced, since humans have a problem with being confronted by otherness without the "protective screen" of the symbolic order - easily observed by breaking the most trivial of social protocols and watching how people freak the fuck out.

TLDR: the existence of this forum isn't going to gain you any meaningful influence.

Despite how easy subcultures are to manipulate through false elitism and symbolic fetish objects (used to manufacture authenticity), its still pretty difficult to do something as trivial as convince the majority that Opeth is a shitty metal band. Bands like Metallica and The Exploited have their particular reputations due to their implicit relationship with the preexisting order. Case in point:;

Explicit message:

--- Quote ---Thank goodness i only have one track by them... Fuck the usa..
im gonna delete it. damn punk posers. :angry:
punk rock is music of the left, how dare them use it like that!!!

o yeh.. FUCK 'EM!!!!
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Implicit Message:
Thank goodness that you know my net loss of social status is mitigated by me having only 1 track and not the entire collection! I'm going to delete it so nobody questions my authenticity, and to congratulate myself on how i uphold my (other's) ideals.  I guess its true though, not everyone can be as authentic as me, but luckily they can exist as a symbolic reference point in which i can elevate myself in relation to. Punk rock is the music of my demographic, how dare they appropriate our exclusive branding in that manner! Don't they know it makes us feel less special?

Oh yeah, i should probably include something emotive to fully parade my dedication.

Whatever, just turn Audiofile into a radio station and archive. Should be more interesting than dicking around on a forum.

From the about page:

--- Quote ---It exists to spread two ideas: (a) that heavy metal is a form of art and not “entertainment” and (b) the origins of heavy metal are in the Romantic movement in art and literature, whose imagery and ideals it carries to this day.
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Based on the quality of the content, it seems the site has done a great job of it's stated purpose.  The work speaks for itself.

However, the crux of the latest crisis to this site does not seem to concerned with the quality of its content.  It seems to be concerned with the quality of the audience it is reaching.

It has always been the exception, not the rule, that exceptional quality is recognized by the audience it deserves.  The popular trope with this sentiment is that great artists often die unrecognized.  The truth is that many great artist die and continue go unrecognized.

The contributors on need to decide if the quality of the content or the quality of the audience has a greater bearing on them continuing to produce. If the work is not an end in itself, this site has been going about its purpose the entirely wrong way. 


--- Quote from: Zarathustra ---OF ALL that is written, I love only what a person hath written with his blood. Write with blood, and thou wilt find that blood is spirit.

It is no easy task to understand unfamiliar blood; I hate the reading idlers.

He who knoweth the reader, doeth nothing more for the reader.  Another century of readers- and spirit itself will stink.

Every one being allowed to learn to read, ruineth in the long run not only writing but also thinking.

Once spirit was God, then it became man, and now it even becometh populace.

He that writeth in blood and proverbs doth not want to be read, but learnt by heart.

In the mountains the shortest way is from peak to peak, but for that route thou must have long legs. Proverbs should be peaks, and those spoken to should be big and tall.

The atmosphere rare and pure, danger near and the spirit full of a joyful wickedness: thus are things well matched.

I want to have goblins about me, for I am courageous. The courage which scareth away ghosts, createth for itself goblins- it wanteth to laugh.

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The forums have undergone several "purges" at this point - of members, and content. Not long ago, crow had a thread lauding the state of the forum and its members. What happened between then and now, exactly?

There is a continual discontent with the level of contribution from most people who post here, yet the percentage of contributors seems fairly consistent, staffing changes superficially. After a decade, contribution isn't growing as a result of the management's disregard for consistent, specific, and constructive criticisms that have been leveled (as an old coworker would say: "Indian not the arrow"*).

Ultimately, no one here will lament deeply if the forum is burned, and it should go without saying that all who choose to rest here are appreciative. The mature will move on, and so is life.

*This is an important relationship to parse, and comes only with proper craft.


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