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Vigilance:

--- Quote from: TableauxParisiens on March 14, 2014, 03:22:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: Vigilance on March 12, 2014, 12:38:02 PM ---Thus it's easy to miss a happy coexistence between aristocracy and democracy and view the two as being opposed, despite the wealth of historical examples demonstrating otherwise.

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Democracy leads to a society built on institutions which cater to the masses desires. When the masses are given free reign, they always gravitate towards endless pleasure with no deep meaning, and so we get a society full of fast food restaurants, entertaining gadgets like Iphones and television, slabs of concrete, and the lives of popular culture. The minority of people, the intelligent, who seek variation, and rich wonders of the mind and earth, are overtaken by the outburst of the average, left without a voice, culture dies. Capitalism thrives so well on democracy because its goal is to sell as much as possible, and what sells well is what appeals to base desires.


--- Quote from: Dylar on March 13, 2014, 10:31:59 PM ---
There is something puzzling about a society where a young woman is more "empowered" by being in porn  than by attending one of the finest universities in the country.  Liberalism creates this bizarre counter-universe where everything is permitted, so long as you think the things you're allowed to think.  On the one hand, near total "freedom" in a purely mechanistic sense, on the other, a society that is profoundly totalitarian at a social/psychological/spiritual level.  But you're free, and crazy to think otherwise.
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Anyone intelligent would rather choose shooting scenes where you fuck for money, than attending an institution which gives you institutional 'truths'. The only thing worse than university today would be STD's, but on a clean set, the air compared to university is like breathing in the Himalayans.

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Is it democracy that does this or the vast wealth brought in to a civilization by an Empire? Further, it's important to recognize we are in the rationalist period at this juncture in arc of literate civilization. Check the core presuppositions in the cultural narratives of our time and get back to me if you still think a method of governing is responsible.

death metal black metal:
On leadership:


--- Quote ---Gallup has found that one of the most important decisions companies make is simply whom they name manager. Yet our analysis suggests that they usually get it wrong. In fact, Gallup finds that companies fail to choose the candidate with the right talent for the job 82% of the time.

Bad managers cost businesses billions of dollars each year, and having too many of them can bring down a company. The only defense against this massive problem is a good offense, because when companies get these decisions wrong, nothing fixes it. Businesses that get it right, however, and hire managers based on talent will thrive and gain a significant competitive advantage.

http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/03/why-good-managers-are-so-rare/

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Vigilance:

--- Quote from: death metal black metal on March 13, 2014, 04:26:00 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dylar on March 13, 2014, 04:06:52 PM ---Society works when everyone tends his own garden and straightens his own back yard, and it fails when it fills up with people ready to root around in other folks' yards.

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Experience suggests otherwise -- you either have strong leadership, or your civilization falls apart. You either have cultural values, or you have anarchy. You seem to prefer the shopping mall model which, not surprisingly, is what you have.

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History suggests a cycle: Monarchy->Aristocracy->Democracy-->back again to Monarchy.

If you take it in the literal sense you're talking about systematic change. In America's history we've had:

Washington-Whigs-Jackson movement

Lincoln - Republican - Progressive movement

FDR- New Deal Dems. - Boomer counter culture movement.

 Notice that America has seen not one drop of anarchy, bloody revolution or systematic change while going through this cycle? You want to see the value of the American democracy? It's right there in the stability during the ebb and flow of human behavior. It has glaring flaws, but that's to be expected from a functional and organic system.

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I think you are correct in the suggestion that we need a strong leader to sidestep the political stalemates that prevent the country from adapting to reality, but I don't see any reason to trash the system along with it. So far, in American history, we've gotten that strong leader. I say, let it run it's course.

Angel of Disease:
The ANUS.com article was one of the most sane things that I've read in a while. Thanks for sharing.

It trumps the discussion taking place here.

death metal black metal:

--- Quote from: Vigilance on March 14, 2014, 07:51:42 AM ---It's right there in the stability during the ebb and flow of human behavior.
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Imagine you were a heroin addict. Assuming that heroin addiction is bad, would stability be a good thing for an addict to have?

No -- they'd be stable in their addiction. So it is with democracy, the death of a thousand cuts.

The ANUS article still applies. Conservatism is a principle that transcends our mainstream politics. No matter how you argue it, leftism is crazy-retarded. Absolutely zero (0) "third way" movements have avoided this.

The only sensible option is a non-State, e.g. a monarchy plus strong ethnic-cultural identity.

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