Metal is 100% derived from classical

[born for banning]

Well, great: now we're talking about crappy video games, instead of real music.

Metalheads fail ^2.

[David_Ravel]

That's because you're so great.

I'm a student in music, and personally video game music is like metal : 99% suck, 1% achieve something. If you can't see that 1% in video games music, what the fuck are you doing on a metal site either if it's the same history ?

Or maybe you're too great for video games music because it's come from an entertainment based-industry, yeah that must be it.

Oh wait, music is the same thing as we are speaking...

[Stranger]

I would say that The Legend of Zelda's Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess contains the best video game music ever. They were written by composer Koji Kondo. You all should look up the powertabs for the themes of the games.

Very much agreed on Ocarina of Time. No doubt the best video game music I've ever listened to.

[AttheGates1996]

Very much agreed on Ocarina of Time. No doubt the best video game music I've ever listened to.

I would say Twilight Princess has better music, and even though Wind Waker's music is kinda cheesy it's still very well composed.

[born for banning]

If you can't see that 1% in video games music, what the fuck are you doing on a metal site either if it's the same history ?

Metal music is not yet devoted to a masturbatory hobby. Video games are a hobby. They entertain but are non-productive.

If you want to talk about video game music, start a thread so that other couch-sitters can enjoy talking about how much they jerk off with their joysticks instead of doing something important.

We could also have a "Best Music for Poo Sex" thread.

[antithetikal]

Video game music, at least in it very early beginning, was quite experimental. And video games are much more than a simple entertainment. Not every video game is made for the masses. Just like not every metal band does it for the money, no?
In the last Game Developer mag Yasuhiro Wada (Creator of the Harvest Moon series) Speaks on the paradoxical use of technology to promote a pro-environmental idea.

[David_Ravel]

Metal music is not yet devoted to a masturbatory hobby. Video games are a hobby. They entertain but are non-productive.

If you want to talk about video game music, start a thread so that other couch-sitters can enjoy talking about how much they jerk off with their joysticks instead of doing something important.

We could also have a "Best Music for Poo Sex" thread.

You are right about two thing here : it is entertainment, it does not suit this thread. I don't think we need a thread on video, since we already have tons of thread about shit and crap around. I'm only going to say one last thing and then let it go : as far as I go, I was playing video games (along with sports, don't ask) when I was a kid. I'm no more really playing those. People of 18 years old passing 12 hours on World of Warcraft is a problem. A kid playing 1-2hour a week on game that I find interesting(good story, good music, good image, or if you prefer, of ''artitistic value'' in the video game ''world'') and entertaining, I don't have a problem with that.

That sumes up my intervention on this subject, I hope you understand now a little bit more of what I wanted to say.

[esoteric]

When will people understand that there can be good metal and shit metal, good art and shit art? Classifying all computer games - which combine elements of cinema, music and literature - as 'entertainment' is just as ignorant as saying that all music is mere entertainment, although I would argue that very few games in the last 10 years qualify as anything more than pure entertainment. The focus on populist games (warcraft, command and conquer, age of empires) over quality is also something i wouldn't expect from this forum.

[born for banning]

Classifying all computer games - which combine elements of cinema, music and literature - as 'entertainment' is just as ignorant as saying that all music is mere entertainment

No, it's not. Music is for contemplation; video games are feedback loops to keep people playing. Comparing to the two is ignorant and destructive, since you're taking "art" to mean "anything which requires aesthetic skill," which includes the following other arts:

# Interior decorating
# Pornography
# Skateboard design
# Hemorrhoid sculpting

The modern tendency to call anything requiring a modicum of skill "art" is an insult to art. Art is a process; decoration is another process. If anything, you are trying to measure art categorically by the skills involved, forgetting that art is a skill unto itself.

[antithetikal]

Recently, (in fact last week) in the gamma 256 events. Some indie companies exposed experimental games using weird pixel ratios, and ideas. The main concept was to demonstrate how video games are art even if a majority is merely selling out.
Now, saying video games require little skill is something you said so easily but do you know what you are talking about? I talk about because that's what I do. And in order to do that my graphic skills need to be very high. Great knowledge of human anatomy, and muscular movement and interaction.
theory of colors, lights and shadows, and so much.
I would really like to know what you consider art then. Bornforbanning, with all the respect due, your statement (once again) sounds elitist and ignorant.

[Dylar]

How is this even a open to discussion?  We're dealing with a basic fact of nature here.

The sky is blue.

Fish breathe underwater.

Video games are not art.

If these principles are too difficult for you, perhaps you need to stick to listening to Reload in your garage.  Don't forget to turn the car on first though.

[AttheGates1996]

Video games are not art.

I would consider art anything that appeals to one's senses. Obviously the current day's video games, that are based around realistic graphics and shooting people or creatures repeatedly, are a way to appeal to that of a moron, but some games, such as adventure based games, have very appealing scenery and good story plots, sometimes consisting of tragedy. I believe some video games, though not many, could potentially influence someone in a way that is more artistic than all the current video games coming out.

[scourge]

I would consider art anything that appeals to one's senses.

Art is subjective sensual hedonism like goatse and video games?

[chrstphrbnntt]

I would consider art anything that appeals to one's senses.

To me, art is an indirect representation of an idea or emotion, with the best of it representing "the intangible." By your definition, a nice cut of cheese is art.



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I'll stick with my definition. Art is something that stimulates your mind, beliefs & emotions through the senses - not something that merely stimulates the senses.

[antithetikal]

How is this even a open to discussion?  We're dealing with a basic fact of nature here.

The sky is blue.

Fish breathe underwater.

Video games are not art.

If these principles are too difficult for you, perhaps you need to stick to listening to Reload in your garage.  Don't forget to turn the car on first though.

You are closed minded beyond reason. You assume something is not art based in the little knowledge you got about it. How can you consider yourself an intelligent being? To me, you are just a simple minded person trying to act intelligent. What a shame...