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National Socialist Black Metal (N5BM)

K

National Socialist Black Metal (N5BM)
September 26, 2007, 04:58:10 PM
I have only heard about national socialist, or nazi, blackmetal, but the ideology, nor any specific bands were ever mentioned. I know that it is mostly irrelevant, if not all, but I am curious none the less. Is it based on political structure, racism, or just boredom like nazi punk?

Also, if some one could actually give me a spicific example; I've heard that peste noire was, but also arguments to the contrary, as well with horned almighty(if you don't know them, don't bother checking them out).

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 26, 2007, 05:37:23 PM
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Is it based on political structure, racism, or just boredom like nazi punk?



Mainly, it's based on cluelessness.

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 26, 2007, 05:47:27 PM
I can't speak for all the NS bands, but I'm quite sure your reasons, and combinations thereof, represent the motives of surely every NS band out there.

There are Gravelands and there are Grinded Nigs: the difference is in the subtlety of their conveyance of NS themes. Over-the-top lyrics typically represent PROPAGANDA, which is by no means art. Bands like Astrofaes and Fullmoon keep their lyrics to folklore and ancestral pride, and any racism is wrapped in metaphor.

AFAIK, Peste Noire have nothing to do with Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement.

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 26, 2007, 06:05:05 PM
Rob Darken of Graveland called NS a failed ideology, so any association of their works with NSism is purely down to their own (probably incorrect) interpretation.

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 26, 2007, 08:30:27 PM
This is a pretty tired topic.

See this classic thread so this one can go away.

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 26, 2007, 10:26:17 PM
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Is it based on political structure, racism, or just boredom like nazi punk?


Nazi punk bands seem very committed. Problem was, like all punk music, they were very boring.

Only about 2-5% of metal bands are worth listening to. No rock music is, no techno is, very little industrial is, and no newer country is.

What does this tell you? Moronic forms of music produce moronic results. Pick something better, like classical, and learn your culture instead of preaching others to keep it up - that's what I'd tell the Nazi bands.

Some Nazis make brilliant music. Darkthrone, Burzum, Graveland, Thor's Hammer, Unleashed, Morbid Angel, Motorhead, Immortal, Emperor, Infester, Therion and others have all expressed nationalist, national socialist, traditionalist, fascist or occult volkisch sentiments. They are different than the imitators who make boring, pointless, angry music.

Interestingly, the failure rate for NS-BM is probably less than that of black metal as a whole, but I still wouldn't run out and get any of it. Legion of Doom was pretty good too.

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 26, 2007, 11:14:23 PM
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Some Nazis make brilliant music. Darkthrone, Burzum, Graveland, Thor's Hammer, Unleashed, Morbid Angel, Motorhead, Immortal, Emperor, Infester, Therion and others have all expressed nationalist, national socialist, traditionalist, fascist or occult volkisch sentiments. They are different than the imitators who make boring, pointless, angry music.


I'm curious where you get some of these names from. Obviously a number of them are no brainers, but Motörhead? Come on now.

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We ain't got time for the White nation anymore, 'cause everybody is mixed up already. It's mixed up Jewish anyway. Three quarters of America has some Jew in it, and about half of America has some red Indian in it. In the SS you had to trace your ancestry back to 1720. You can't do that now in America. That's how it should be. We should all mix up. We have to; that's the only way we are going to be global. Racism is the most evil thing in the world. It fucks people up. I won't be a part of it.

http://www.motorhead.ru/int9wilma.htm

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 27, 2007, 12:22:19 AM
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Obviously a number of them are no brainers, but Motörhead? Come on now.


Please present proof that they are not pro-NS, considering the band has worn Nazi paraphrenalia for years, endorsed warfare and fascist-style actions in their lyrics, and worn Nazi uniforms. In your proof, please keep in mind the following:

1. You cannot admit liking a taboo and still keep your career.

2. You will have to comprehensively scan every interview, public appearance, and private conversation archived.

3. National Socialism is more than racism.

Good luck. If you fail, I'll ask the mods to ban you for using a proofless response and the hipster-trademarked phrase, "Come on now." We don't need people who behave like losers here.

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 27, 2007, 12:24:31 AM
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I'm curious where you get some of these names from. Obviously a number of them are no brainers, but Motörhead? Come on now.

http://www.motorhead.ru/int9wilma.htm


i see your point, but i did at one time have a motorhead shirt with a swastika hidden within the screaming skull logo. so i think there's things like that which can easily cause confusion.

on top of that, born for banning delivers a good point.

shadowmystic

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 27, 2007, 02:02:57 AM
Gontyna Kry are fairly good, I like Nokturnal Mortum as well, and they seem to have a surprisingly warm reception here as far as I know.  For the most part NS bands suck, but it's the same as with all genres/sub-genres, 90+% of the bands suck, and a few are good.  The % varies slightly from genre to genre but the principle remains fairly consistent.  Judge on musical quality, not genre.

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 27, 2007, 03:46:53 AM
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Please present proof that they are not pro-NS, considering the band has worn Nazi paraphrenalia for years, endorsed warfare and fascist-style actions in their lyrics, and worn Nazi uniforms.


It is a well known fact that Lemmy Kilmister is an avid collector of Nazi memorabilia, and fascinated by WWII. He doesn't make a secret out of this. The performances, coupled with his obsession for Nazi Germany can easily be attributed to cheap shock value and plain showbusiness - Not entirely unlike Marilyn Manson, who has been known to employ the same themes in concerts (as much as I hate to make that comparison.)

I am well aware what National Socialism is about, and I will admit the reasons he gives for his interest in this subject can be somewhat vague and suspicious, however to claim someone who makes statements such as in that interview has NS tendencies to the point where you happily mention them alongside Graveland and Burzum is rather absurd, and 'It would be a bad career move for him to openly come out about it' is not a sufficient reason to ignore them.

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Good luck. If you fail, I'll ask the mods to ban you for using a proofless response and the hipster-trademarked phrase, "Come on now." We don't need people who behave like losers here.


I am not here to do the research for you. I merely called you out on your rather bold claim that Motorhead somehow expresses NS sentiments, which apparently, is based on nothing but Kilmister's fascination for the Nazi Germany era and his tendency to indulge himself in Nazi memorabilia - which in turn can shine through in their performances - and some lyrics you are yet to present which I doubt are conclusive to this argument.

K

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 27, 2007, 08:11:50 AM
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This is a pretty tired topic.

See this classic thread so this one can go away.

I did look in past threads to try and find something,  but I was unaware that Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement meant national socialist blackmetal.  I apologize.

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 27, 2007, 08:43:34 AM
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I did look in past threads to try and find something,  but I was unaware that Narrow Squirting Bowel Movement meant national socialist blackmetal.  I apologize.


:o :o

How long have you been listening to BM now?  :P

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 28, 2007, 09:51:39 AM
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There are Gravelands and there are Grinded Nigs: the difference is in the subtlety of their conveyance of NS themes. Over-the-top lyrics typically represent PROPAGANDA, which is by no means art. Bands like Astrofaes and Fullmoon keep their lyrics to folklore and ancestral pride, and any racism is wrapped in metaphor.

Indeed. I've noticed many NS bands from Russia do in fact concentrate on their pagan roots, ancestral pride, and (a form of) nationalism and do little on racism. Bands like Kroda, Walknut, Temnozor, and Branikald fit this description. Forest probably does as well, but  I'm not too sure where they're going with their Aryan themes.

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 28, 2007, 12:52:42 PM
Only ones I know (not counting BUrzum or Graveland) are the ones that make Burzum tribute albums. It seems that doing a Burzum cover is like baptism to these bands.  
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