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National Socialist Black Metal (N5BM)

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 28, 2007, 01:56:20 PM
The motorhead/nazi thing comes as a second generation inheritance from biker gangs who often use nazi dress-up to create an identity. The typical  motorhead lyric is bar fights, tarts, alcohol and amphetamines - which does not make for pure blood, I can tell you!

Divus_de_Mortuus

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 29, 2007, 01:59:52 AM
Eight months ago, Summoning would have been mentioned in this conversation.

Motorhead are not Nazis. Shut the fuck up with that assbabble right the fuck now.

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 29, 2007, 02:16:58 AM
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Eight months ago, Summoning would have been mentioned in this conversation.

Motorhead are not Nazis. Shut the fuck up with that assbabble right the fuck now.


That thread regarding Summoning was a disaster. I understood where Protector was coming from, and I don't know why he received the amount of abuse he did. Whether you agreed with his reasonings or not, Summoning is HIS and Silenius's project, so if others are using his art for personal politics, I'd be just as upset as he was.

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 29, 2007, 05:03:07 PM
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Eight months ago, Summoning would have been mentioned in this conversation.


Only by the morons who believe anything they see on Jewtube.

Divus_de_Mortuus

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 30, 2007, 12:53:44 AM
Are you serious? Summoning was hailed as the second coming of Burzum uniformly across this forum and much of the metal underground.

Re: NS blackmetal??
September 30, 2007, 07:56:02 PM
I also thought it was weird that once the whole Summoning thing happened, suddenly the Lord Wind worship stopped too.

How odd.

Re: NS blackmetal??
October 01, 2007, 01:09:14 AM
NS ideology is one which relegates believers into becoming dumber by the second.

that being said, some bands which hold those views are some that i enjoy, but their views fall on deaf ears to me.

Re: National Socialist Black Metal (N5BM)
October 02, 2007, 03:36:27 AM
In all honesty, I think anyone who calls Burzum National Socialist Black Metal is just showing ignorance.  Burzum's lyrics have very little to do with national socialism if anything at all.  The music of Burzum is on a much higher plain than some political view.

Re: NS blackmetal??
October 03, 2007, 09:27:36 PM
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Summoning was hailed as the second coming of Burzum uniformly across this forum and much of the metal underground.


Summoning is fucking cool. Not all of it, because they have some real dead zone albums like The Once and Future King or whatever that Enya-fest they recorded recently was, but even Oath Bound and Lost Tales are great.

Do they know shit about politics? Probably not. But musicians as a rule don't. Would you elect Kirk Hammet president?*


* probably a bad time to ask this

Re: NS blackmetal??
October 04, 2007, 03:10:35 PM
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Summoning is fucking cool. Not all of it, because they have some real dead zone albums like The Once and Future King or whatever that Enya-fest they recorded recently was, but even Oath Bound and Lost Tales are great.

Do they know shit about politics? Probably not. But musicians as a rule don't. Would you elect Kirk Hammet president?*


* probably a bad time to ask this


Are you referring to Let Mortal Heroes Sing Your Fame? Calling that subpar, but praising their sole cash grab, Lost Tales is quite absurd.

Re: National Socialist Black Metal (N5BM)
October 10, 2007, 04:06:29 PM
I think a lot of nsbm bands are simply reactionaries pitching a gimmick. But some just preempt the branding, if you deal with racial, environmental, cultural and nationalist themes you'll be branded a nazi so you might as well just go with it. Unfortunately most nsbm bands suck and the only reason they get any attention is because of their nazi stance (Graveland, Thorrs Hammer, etc.) as opposed to a lot of good bands in other genres (neofolk, industrial, etc.) who are actually good and are held back by their perceived nazi sympathies (Blood Axis, Allerseelen, etc.). Most nsbm bands donít actually champion the political platform of the actual National Socialist movement and are for the most part in direct contradiction on most things. It is an unfortunate label that should be abandoned by any band that does want to achieve anything positive. You can promote PanEuopean Nationalism and Aryan religion without falling into the trap of Nazism, which was a perversion of these themes anyway. But at the same time I can see how and some bands would play with this taboo to avoid being commodified and exploited. And then again, metal is all about taboos. But you can do this like Slayer has by exploring these themes without endorsing them.

But if you really want to check some of these bands out, the only one that I have ever come across that was any good was an Australian act called Spear Of Longinus. You can find them on Youtube and some file sharing sites.

Re: National Socialist Black Metal (N5BM)
October 11, 2007, 12:45:56 AM
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I think a lot of nsbm bands are simply reactionaries pitching a gimmick. But some just preempt the branding, if you deal with racial, environmental, cultural and nationalist themes you'll be branded a nazi so you might as well just go with it.


I see what you're saying. I think it's true of almost all N5BM, although there are some brave exceptions. They're trying to hide behind the symbol instead of showing or explaining why they believe what they do, which isn't limited to NS (black metal includes nationalism, but has a lot more as well, like romanticism and eco-fascism). They should be braver, but they're not, so their music is one note and directionless.