Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends

[JaPeL]

Bashing Chuck in this manner is repellent.

He was not a Christian.  He was not ignorant.  Nor did he die of AIDS.  What nonsense all of this is.

Since  I am no expert on the inner workings of Chuck's mind I cannot comment much on the Christianity "traitor" element of this smear.  However, this is why it should be manifestly clear he did not die of AIDS.  Chuck Shuldiner was undergoing chemotherapy when he died.  No one dying of AIDS receives chemo because such treatment  further degrades an already weakened immune system.  People with Kaposi's sarcoma have to be reasonably strong to get chemo, and even then they do not receive aggressive treatments if they are too sick.  There are people with AIDS who develop non-Hodgkin's lymphoma who never receive chemo because chemo combined with AIDS will kill them faster than the lymphoma can.  If Chuck was so far gone with AIDS that he was dying, he would not have been on chemo.  Period.

Add to this that a NECROTIC TUMOR was removed from his brain, causing an initial misdiagnosis of a rare form of cancer.  It is unknown what he died from, but necrotic brain tumors are not now, nor were they ever, symptoms of AIDS.

If this isn't enough, bear in mind that Chuck was uninsured and there were many benefits and shows held to raise money for Chuck's treatment.  Lots of people, directly and indirectly, were involved in his treatment.  This wasn't Rock Hudson dying quietly.  This was a man fighting overtly for his life. So how is it exactly that this man who is called stupid by some on this site managed to hide the nature of his illness so well without anyone finding out?   Because the only place you will find assertions that Chuck died of AIDS is on anus.com.  It's not because anus somehow "knows" the truth.  It's because someone has a hard-on for Chuck or is smearing his name to suit their own agenda.

Truly shameful stuff guys.  The man died of a mysterious condition and people from anus.com saw fit to harass his mother.  Of course, agendas know no shame, do they?

Honestly, why not pick on the living?  Or is that too hard, with a living entity to refute you?  I fear some of you are are you getting your ducks in a row to malign Jared Anderson.  I say this because the attempt to assert that Jesse Pintado died of AIDS didn't really get much of a reaction, did it?

And yeah, I know.  Banned and BAHLEETED!  I'm crying inside.  Really.  I am.

maybe the "he died of AIDS" its a metaphor... in this site when an album is "crap" they relate it to "AIDS" (look at the post of atheist in the audiofile section) the same goes to people, chuck was a traitor (crap albums, became christian, etc., etc.)

[ultranex]

MO-ya?

[More Celt Than Sassenach]

saying he died of AIDS is our way of saying at the time of his death metal would not miss him and in fact would carry on better without him much like JaPeL said

[meganerd]

The AIDS "epidemic" is a symptom of a weak and diseased society.  So is the music that Chuck made later in his career.  Calling his music "gay midget fecal porn (GMFP)" would be a similar insult for example.

Still though, Chuck being a traitor doesn't explain the level of contempt directed at him from this site.  That's more because of the violent iconoclasm that's characteristic of anus.com.  Chuck was being placed on a pedestal around the time of his death that was entirely undeserved given his artistic contributions and his current (at that time) value to the metal and human community.  Personally, I fully support what might be called "overreactions" from this site over issues like Chuck's death, as a balance to the rest of society.  

To be honest though, that letter that Prozak supposedly wrote to Chuck's mom is the ONLY thing that's ever come out of this site that doesn't have my full support.  A mother has the right to grieve, uniterrupted, for her son, even if he was a worthless asshole.  This is not moralistic secularized Christianity, this is basic human decency which can be arrived at through introspection and logic, not dogma and moral conformity.  

[born for banning]

Chuck being a traitor doesn't explain the level of contempt directed at him from this site.  That's more because of the violent iconoclasm that's characteristic of anus.com. 

A traitor who gets credit others deserve? Most red-blooded people would consider that person worthy of contempt if not outright desecration.

It's obvious he died of AIDS. We never heard about cancer treatment, only that he was getting worse. He required extensive blood transfusions. He disappeared entirely from view during his treatment and no one close to him would talk about it. His parents and friends don't want you to know that he died of AIDS, because who would? But if you read between the lines, it's quite possible and in fact likely that Chuck died of AIDS.

There are so many targets of contempt though that it's hard to pick one. Chuck is a symbol for sold-out cheesy Florida death metal that had no ideas and so gave up and went Christian. That's why he's hated. It's not about Chuck, but what he represents.

[Annihilaytorr]

Maybe it's because I avoid the "metal scene" mostly but outside of this website I almost never hear about Chuck anymore.

[wEEman33]

Maybe it's because I avoid the "metal scene" mostly

Your assumption is correct. Shuldiner worship is present in just about every apsect of the "metal scene" these days (i.e., the bands, the fans, the labels, the press, etc.).

[born for banning]

We should just rename him "Metal Jesus." Probably Dimebag Darrell was "Metal Moses."

[More Celt Than Sassenach]

and people think Dimebag was innovative, wonder what they would think if they came across a band with real value

[Packo Crowley]

English isn't my mother thong, so I listen more to the music than focus in the lyrics, so I like until the Human album. Have some great riffs across all 4 albums. But Death is not the only band in the world.
Support music, not chuck

[buckets_of_rain]

and people think Dimebag was innovative, wonder what they would think if they came across a band with real value

My man, you are assuming people in general know real value when they see it.  The fact that they praise Dimebag as their celebrity messiah shows that real artistic value is boring and lost on them.

[Maire_Reed]

maybe the "he died of AIDS" its a metaphor... in this site when an album is "crap" they relate it to "AIDS" (look at the post of atheist in the audiofile section) the same goes to people, chuck was a traitor (crap albums, became christian, etc., etc.)

Thanks for the interpretation, but I still think that anus.com is trying to convey that the man died of AIDS.  I do not think this is a metaphor.

In the thread in the news section about Jesse Pintado's death, it is said that Jesse Pintado died of AIDS, going on to describe how the man died after getting thinner and thinner.  Then it is said he died of AIDS, after an HIV infection, like Chuck Shuldiner.  It is also asserted they tried to hide the fact they died of AIDS.  This is pretty specific for a metaphor.   It seems as if the word AIDS is being used to convey the very specific idea that Chuck died of AIDS.  So I stand by my original interpretation.

But thanks for responding to me in a civil manner meant to convey information.  I appreciate it.

[Maire_Reed]

I want to slice you to ribbons for the spelling of your name alone, you stinking used tampon.

The great mystery of Schuldiner's condition is why he wrote "Support music, not rumors" in every fucking release.  Well, I found out through this board it's cause he liked underage boys.  Rot fag corpse, rot.

Unless you are confusing "Maire" with "Marie" the spelling of my name should in no way inspire a need to slice me to ribbons. Though I do understand loathing people who misspell their own names. Used tampon?  Seriously, are you really this angry?  Because if you are you should pull yourself together posthaste.  

This board is the ONLY place online where anything is reported about Chuck and AIDS.  Every rumor about him being gay or dying of AIDS traces back here, so I am not surprised that you read here that he liked small boys.  Lots of bad information is spread about musicians and lots of them try to combat it.  His need to quell rumors about himself when alive is not surprising, and given the posthumous bash he receives here, why would anyone hold that against him?

[More Celt Than Sassenach]

everyone (hopefully)  on his site knows how the man died but i guess since people praise him for things he did not accomplish i guess this site accuses him of things he did not have/do (this is merely and interpretation since i cant read the minds of my fellow patrons on this site)

[Cynical]

sorry you can't play the guitar, and you have to bash people who can (or could).

I wasn't aware that we bashed Immolation, Gorguts, Suffocation, Pessimist, Infester, Incantation, Morbid Angel, Atrocity, Acerbus, or any of a league of bands far more "technical" than Death ever was.