Chuck Schuldiner: The Pity Party Never Ends

[More Celt Than Sassenach]

wow, if you hate Death so much, why do you spend so much time talking about them?  sorry you can't play the guitar, and you have to bash people who can (or could).   Who cares what religion a person is.  If they are putting out good music, isn't that all that matters?  I would listen to Mortification if they were good!  Fuck you.  By the way, what fucking retarted Nihilist black metal band are you in?  I will be sure to never support them.  Have some respect for the dead you FUCKING RETARD!   I hope when you die, nobody even thinks about caring.  Chances are with your attitude, nobody will.

what you don't realize is metal is more then just a sound, and you give no evidence as to why we cant
be critical of him, so why should we stop?

[Cynical]

I never said technical you did.

You mentioned ability to play guitar.

You are just consumed by hatred... I am sure that a severe life trauma will happen to you one day.  Maybe your spouse and children will die in a fire or something... Second, I wish you had been in those towers... man, you need a fucking terrific ass fucking whooping.

Anyone else notice the hypocrisy here?

I would just like to comment on your little trade center drawing.  You are a great artist first and foremost.

I didn't draw it.  You can find it, and more (including works from Boyd Rice), at www.unpopart.org (NSFW, pornographic images).

 Second, I wish you had been in those towers.  You do remember that like 3000 people died that day right?  is that funny to you?

Actually, I find it awesome.  The U.S. pushes the middle east a step too far, and they strike back, and we act surprised.  The 9/11 attacks were an act of great love- love of those pilots for their home lands and culture- so why shouldn't it be immortalized in a valentine?

Besides which, we have nearly 7 billion people on this planet.  What are 3,000?  NOTHING.

[oscar the cat]

Who cares what religion a person is.  If they are putting out good music, isn't that all that matters?

Yeah, who cares if they're a moron and pushing out their moronic view onto the world, and it makes us slaves to the Great Moron in the sky. Who cares if we all die because morons lead us. As long as they can play hard rock with death metal vocals and die of AIDS, man, they're awlright, ya know? Chuck was cool with me, man, he was another brother on the downlow and if the virus got him, well those are the breaks but we're gonna miss him and his ill Motley Crue cover band, Death.

You do remember that like 3000 people died that day right?  is that funny to you?

Yo, it's dawnright hilarious. A nigga's gotta take care of his own, ya know, and what happens outside the hood ain't my concern. Stockbrokers and al-Qaeda go up in flames man, I ain't even thinkin' outside South Central and dunno what their trip is. South Central, representin'

peace out dawg

[More Celt Than Sassenach]

I never said technical you did.  I like many forms of music that are not technical.  Burzum is not technical, and you love the fuck out of that shit I am sure, as do I.  You are just consumed by hatred.  I was actually the same way when I was 17 years old.  you have problems, and you are looking for a scapegoat to blame it on.  whatever.  You cannot have respect for others until you respect yourself.  Sad.  I am sure that a severe life trauma will happen to you one day.  Maybe your spouse and children will die in a fire or something.  I am sure that when that happens, you will look at the world differently.  

we have given reasons beyond simple hate for hate sake against chuck, yet you say we are consumed by it, am i not allowed to hate/dislike anything not matter how valid my reasons are? And also you are the one going on about how you want him and his children to die yet you accuse us of hate? And yes we do have problems, its human nature but it seems to me your the one using us as a scapegoat for yourself, not us for chuck

in regards to your post asking when metal became and ideology, it never became one, all music has an ideology it expresses, black sabbath are so well regarded around here because they were an affront to the hippie movement of the time and promoted the beauty in darkness and became critical of the world (as can be seen in the lyrics for the song war pigs and lord of this world). If music didn't have an ideology music wouldn't exist because ALL music expresses something whether its the tribal chanting of ancient African tribes or the Gaelic folk music  

[oscar the cat]

am i not allowed to hate/dislike anything not matter how valid my reasons are?

God hates it when you do that.

[Markus]

I never see any logical reason to critisize Chuck for his beliefs, whatever happened to idealogical privacy? Relentlessly critisizing someone because of something that was personal to him and not for individuals who are against it to intervene. This is were i completely disagree with Prozak.

[Markus]

I wasn't aware that we bashed Immolation, Gorguts, Suffocation, Pessimist, Infester, Incantation, Morbid Angel, Atrocity, Acerbus, or any of a league of bands far more "technical" than Death ever was.

In terms of composition you are completely correct espcially concerning Gorguts, but some of the most talented musicians came from Death usch as James Murphy (THE most skilled Extreme Metal guitarist) and Steve the bassist, who is also a prominent figure.

[Markus]

and people think Dimebag was innovative, wonder what they would think if they came across a band with real value

His whammy bar techniques surely were, he was a clean guitarist - precise as fuck and a great riffer...but no none of his bands were out of the ordinary.

[Dylar]

In terms of composition you are completely correct espcially concerning Gorguts, but some of the most talented musicians came from Death usch as James Murphy (THE most skilled Extreme Metal guitarist) and Steve the bassist, who is also a prominent figure.

Murphy was already an established figure before he joined Death, and, as with every other band he was involved with, he was essentially a session musician (and your claim that he is THE most technically skilled guitarist in extreme metal is rather questionable, and totally unprovable in any event).

Steve DiGiorgio likewise was a well-established musician prior to his stints with Death.  Indeed, Individual Thought Patterns strongly resembles a rocked up version of Sadus (demonstrating once again Chuck's ability to scavenge from the idea scraps of others without actually being able to improve upon them).

[More Celt Than Sassenach]

I never see any logical reason to critisize Chuck for his beliefs, whatever happened to idealogical privacy? Relentlessly critisizing someone because of something that was personal to him and not for individuals who are against it to intervene. This is were i completely disagree with Prozak.

metal criticizes the faith in which chuck believed, as such he his criticized for undertaking such a belief, simple as that  

[Woodland_Art]

James Murphy (THE most skilled Extreme Metal guitarist)

I know this sounds like a lame attempt to make someone else laugh... but I just got done cleaning Mountain Dew off my monitor from spitting it out while laughing at this post.

[Markus]

I know this sounds like a lame attempt to make someone else laugh... but I just got done cleaning Mountain Dew off my monitor from spitting it out while laughing at this post.

Care to prove your point instead of making a fool out of yourself through your own egoistic nature? Listen to a track named Epoch on his solo album before you do so.

[Markus]

metal criticizes the faith in which chuck believed, as such he his criticized for undertaking such a belief, simple as that  

No i only see it as you people who try to promulgate some theory about Metal critisizing religion. Black Sabbath, Venom and Metallica sure didn't and they are considered the pioneers of the genre. Satanic lyrics were provided only for the shock value, as Cronos precisely extrapolated "We were as serious as a horror movie". Plus, Sabbath members have pictures of them taken whilst wearing crucifixes...I know plentlyof Muslims and Christians who play Slayer, Immolation, Emperor and all of that...yet never allow their personal beliefs to interfere with the music. Vijay has his own dogmatic beliefs concerning that subject, but i doubt he truly understands what personal beliefs could mean, and in that case...why not be critical of Tom Araya or something?

[Markus]

(demonstrating once again Chuck's ability to scavenge from the idea scraps of others without actually being able to improve upon them).

Funny seeing as everyone became critical of Chuck only due to the fact that he converted to Christianity. You completely undermined all of Deaths' achievements through their music such as their creativity and experimentation...or the fact that Chuck wasn't just a whammy bar abuser or shred fanatic. If the members of his own projects, who are amongst the highest in the Heavy Metal echelon could tolerate it, then i am sure some fanbase criticial of everything should do as well, you don't have to completely agree with it (as I don't) but leave it up to the people to decide and not some intellects who probably could not play decent music themselves.

[Woodland_Art]

Care to prove your point instead of making a fool out of yourself through your own egoistic nature? Listen to a track named Epoch on his solo album before you do so.

Sure.  And before I do, let me assure you that I was serious.  I sprayed my monitor.  

Its not that I disagree and think he sucks.  What was funny is just how I knew a few retards in high school who raved on and on about his playing as though it had adopted a place in their brain that usually imagines women naked.

Murphy is a great guitar player.  You don't have to question if I'm at all familiar with his solos with any of his work.   An incredibly refined technique and playing style.  But to say the best?  Please.  

This is two small a room to decide who the best actually is.  I'll tell you that in *my* opinion, there are a lot of guitarists in extreme metal that are better than Murphy.  Also, I don't like his style.  I understand it.  I'm not impressed by his songwriting.  Honestly, I think of James Murphy as the local kid who did all the Guitar Center competitions and then joined a death metal band when it was a cool thing to do.  His solo albums, again in MY OPINION, were weak as hell.  

Look at someone like Toby Knapp.  That guy knows how to dumb down his playing abilities (and I mean his band DARKEN here).  The guy knows how to write a song.  

At the end of the day, there are a lot of idiots who can play well.  But how many of them write great songs?  As a matter of opinion...  I think Murphy left his mark with Obituary more than anything (including Disincarnate).  That mark was significant because of the songs already written for him to play over.  Not his playing abilities.