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Dying stars and newborn stars

Dying stars and newborn stars
October 01, 2007, 11:27:30 PM
Dying stars are not reaching outward. They have hit the limits of their expansion, and now all they have is their gravity, which makes them fall inward. The gravity gradually increases until they become black holes that eat all matter and light around them.

Newborn stars are expanding with something like joy. They reach out toward the farthest extremes of the universe, not yet educated in the cynicism that they won't make it.

If you were a Zen master ninja Knight rock star, which of the two would you want to be?

Forums die in the same way. They become self-referential. People stop caring about what they're talking about, and start caring about who's kissed whose ass.

They start asking admins to delete pest users.

I don't want to sneak around deleting people for expressing literate opinions. Some users here may be social retards, but the content of their ideas could be good. Should I delete someone just because he irritates others?

Although I am a good Platonist, the idea of sneaking around and deleting pests reeks to me of death and failure. If someone bothers you, don't reply to his or her posts, but retaliate with something better. If you can't think of something better, you're the dying star, not the newborn.

Let us be overmen and cast aside our resentments, our social plagues and our bitterness. Forward; upward; growth; conquest; beautymaking; even sodomy! -- these are all healthy than going inward and becoming self-referential.

This forum is what you make of it. When forums die, the tendency is for a few loudmouths to dominate conversation by steering it toward socially acceptable, normal, mundane topics and away from exploration of the interesting. I think a lot of us here are watching those self-styled saviors of this forum and worrying about the kind of tedious order they would impose.

Re: Dying stars and newborn stars
October 02, 2007, 11:44:32 AM
Hear, hear!

Re: Dying stars and newborn stars
October 02, 2007, 03:54:29 PM
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Newborn stars are expanding with something like joy.



I agree with your point, but your metaphor almost died here.

Re: Dying stars and newborn stars
October 02, 2007, 04:00:04 PM
After a post discouraging petty squabbles, I didn't feel brave enough to point out a technicality.

Although to be precise, more often than not it is dying stars that expand. With something like furious and pointless hatred.

Re: Dying stars and newborn stars
October 02, 2007, 04:34:27 PM
The whole metaphor was kind of insulting to begin with in all honesty.  As if we cannot understand simple concepts with out such a pretentious speech.

Re: Dying stars and newborn stars
October 02, 2007, 05:25:33 PM
Well someone had to tell b4b to stop being a social retard.

Divus_de_Mortuus

Re: Dying stars and newborn stars
October 02, 2007, 11:06:10 PM
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The whole metaphor was kind of insulting to begin with in all honesty.  As if we cannot understand simple concepts with out such a pretentious speech.


Very true, but you know as well as I do that dealing with this is part of the agreement to be a user here...

Re: Dying stars and newborn stars
October 03, 2007, 12:45:57 AM
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Dying stars are not reaching outward. They have hit the limits of their expansion, and now all they have is their gravity, which makes them fall inward. The gravity gradually increases until they become black holes that eat all matter and light around them.


Where did you get this from? I can't take something seriously if it starts off with a fallacy. Stars expand as they grow old. As their core runs out of hydrogen and then helium, the core contacts and the outer layers expand, cool, and become less bright. This is a red giant or a red super giant (depending on the initial mass of the star). It will eventually collapse and explode.

I'm sure the OP knew this. Which means this post should be taken to mean the exact opposite of what it says ;) i.e.- don't give a damn about b4b if you don't have to.

Re: Dying stars and newborn stars
October 03, 2007, 08:12:15 AM
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After a post discouraging petty squabbles, I didn't feel brave enough to point out a technicality.

Although to be precise, more often than not it is dying stars that expand. With something like furious and pointless hatred.

Heh, was about to point out the same thing, but I suppose for all intents and purposes the analogy still works, as newborn starts, starting from scratch, do arise from dust particles and atoms clashing into each other and congregating in one spot, expanding as the mass becomes larger and attracts more matter.

Re: Dying stars and newborn stars
October 03, 2007, 09:29:23 PM
How do black holes form?

Aside from the obvious allusion.