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School shooting in Finland

School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 04:52:31 PM
I found this video interesting... http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/11/07/school.shooting/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

Make sure to scroll down for the link to the full article.


Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 05:18:34 PM
I was just about to make a thread on this. Here is his manifesto:

Natural Selector’s Manifesto

How Did Natural Selection Turn Into Idiocratic Selection?

Today the process of natural selection is totally misguided. It has reversed. Human race has been devolving very long time for now. Retarded and stupid , weak-minded people are reproducing more and faster than the intelligent, strong-minded people. Laws protect the retarded majority which selects the leaders of society. Modern human race has not only betrayed its ancestors, but the future generations too. Homo Sapiens, HAH! It is more like a Homo Idioticus to me! When I look at people I see every day in society, school and everywhere... I can’t say I belong to same race as the lousy, miserable, arrogant, selfish human race! No! I have evolved one step above!

Naturality has been discriminated through religions, ideologies, laws and other mass delusion systems. Individual, who is going through his/hers natural power process and trying to live naturally, but is being told that the way he acts or thinks is wrong and stupid, will usually have some reactions which might be considered as "psychological disorders" by the establishment. In reality they are just natural reactions to the disruption of natural power process. They will have some of the following (depending on individual's personality): feelings of inferiority / superiority, hostility, aggression, frustration, depression, self-hatred / hatred towards other people, suicidal / homicidal thought etc... and it is completely normal.

Humans are just a species among other animals and world does not exist only for humans. Death and killing is not a tragedy, it happens in nature all the time between all species. Not all human lives are important or worth saving. Only superior (intelligent, self-aware, strong-minded) individuals should survive while inferior (stupid, retarded, weak-minded masses) should perish.

There is also another solution to the problem: stupid people as slaves and intelligent people as free. What I mean is that they who have free minds, are capable of intelligent existential and philosophical thinking and know what justice is, should be free and rulers... and the robotic masses, they can be slaves since they do not mind it now either and because their minds are on so retarded level. The gangsters that now rule societies, would of course get what they deserve.

Of course there is a final solution too: death of entire human race. It would solve every problem of humanity. The faster human race is wiped out from this planet, the better... no one should be left alive. I have no mercy for the scum of earth, the pathetic human race.

Collective Deindividualization: Totalitarianism & Delusions Of Democracy

Collective deindividualization is a phenomenon where individual will be trained as part of the mindless herd controlled by state, corporation, church or some other organization, group, ideology, religion or mass delusion system and adopt it's rules, morality and codes of conduct. This phenomenon has been familiar in all despotic, authoritarian, totalitarian, monarchist, communist, socialist, nazi, fascist and religious societies troughout history. Also, the modern western democratic republics have the same phenomenon. It is just done so that people will think they are free and don't realize they are being enslaved. Majority of people in society are weak-minded and ignorant retards, masses that act like programmed robots and accept voluntarily slavery. But not me! I am self-aware and realize what is going on in society! I have a free mind! And I choose to be free rather than live like a robot or slave. You can say I have a “god complex”, sure... then you have a “group complex”! Compared to you retarded masses, I am actually godlike.

Totalitarian governments rule people through education system, consumerism, mass media, monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force (police, military) and laws discriminating people who think differently than the majority. Democracy... you think democracy means freedom and justice? You are wrong. Democracy is a dictatorship of the moral majority... and the majority is manipulated and ruled by the state mafia. Modern western democracy has nothing to do with freedom or justice; it is totalitarian and corrupted system. Laws are made over the heads of the people and people are being brainwashed to support the system and connected to the institutional structures immediately after their birth. Societies are being ruled by manipulative and charismatic politicians who only care about the interests of majority, and who do not base their decisions on reason but emotions and feelings of the masses. These masses let the authorities of state to make all the important decisions for them. The masses will get an education, they study, get a job, go to work and vote in elections. They think they are free and don’t criticise or question the system. They have become robots. It is like a constructed mechanism in mind, that leaves little choice for an individual to think, talk and act independently.

Three Kinds Of Humans

There are three kinds of human personality types in this world:
1)individualistic human (3% of the world population)
2)manipulative human (3% of the world population)
3)mass human (94% of the world population)

#1 & #2 type of personalities are intelligent, creative and self-aware. They have chosen bit different paths paths. #3 type of personalities are less intelligent and less creative, weak-minded people controlled by #2 type of personalities. The percentages are only estimations though but are based on Gaussian distribution and history of human race and how humans have organized into societies. And this is the way it has always been ever since humans started to organize into communities.

Another way how to divide people is bit different but is based on the same facts, human nature and history. The division is based on the level of intelligence and quality of mentality:

    * intelligent (3% of the world population)
    * slightly retarded, so called “normal people” or “robots” (94% of the world population)
    * highly retarded, “vegetables” (3% of the world population)

Total War Against Humanity

Hate, Im so full of it and I love it. That is one thing I really love. Some time ago, I used to believe in humanity and I wanted to live a long and happy life... but then I woke up. I started to think deeper and realized things. But it was not easy to become existential... knowing as much as I know has made me unhappy, frustrated and angry. I just can’t be happy in the society or the reality I live. Due to long process of existential thinking, observing the society I live and some other things happened in my life... I have come to the point where I feel nothing but hate against humanity and human race.

Life is just a meaningless coincidence... result of long process of evolution and many several factors, causes and effects. However, life is also something that an individual wants and determines it to be. And I'm the dictator and god of my own life. And me, I have chosen my way. I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection.

You might ask yourselves, why did I do this and what do I want. Well, most of you are too arrogant and closed-minded to understand... You will proprably say me that I am “insane”, “crazy”, “psychopath”, “criminal” or crap like that. No, the truth is that I am just an animl, a human, an individual, a dissident.

I have had enough. I don’t want to be part of this fucked up society. Like some other wise people have said in the past, human race is not worth fighting for or saving... only worth killing. But... When my enemies will run and hide in fear when mentioning my name... When the gangsters of the corrupted governments have been shot in the streets... When the rule of idioracy and the democratic system has been replaced with justice... When intelligent people are finally free and rule the society instead of the idiocratic rule of majority... In that great day of deliverance, you will know what I want.

Long live the revolution... revolution against the system, which enslaves not only the majority of weak-minded masses but also the small minority of strong-minded and intelligent individuals! If we want to live in a different world, we must act. We must rise against the enslaving, corrupted and totalitarian regimes and overthrow the tyrants, gangsters and the rule of idiocracy. I can’t alone change much but hopefully my actions will inspire all the intelligent people of the world and start some sort of revolution against the current systems. The system discriminating naturality and justice, is my enemy. The people living in the world of delusion and supporting this system are my enemies.

I am ready to die for a cause I know is right, just and true... even if I would lose or the battle would be only remembered as evil... I will rather fight and die than live a long and unhappy life.

And remember that this is my war, my ideas and my plans. Don’t blame anyone else for my actions than myself. Don’t blame my parents or my friends. I told nobody about my plans and I always kept them inside my mind only. Don’t blame the movies I see, the music I hear, the games I play or the books I read. No, they had nothing to do with this. This is my war: one man war against humanity, governments and weak-minded masses of the world! No mercy for the scum of the earth! HUMANITY IS OVERRATED! It's time to put NATURAL SELECTION & SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST back on tracks!

Justice renders to everyone his due.

- Pekka-Eric Auvinen (aka NaturalSelector89, Natural Selector, Sturmgeist89 and Sturmgeist).
I also use pseydonym Eric von Auffoin internationally.

He had some good ideas, yet seems to have succumbed to fatalism.


Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 05:41:48 PM
There are so many things that are so wrong and stupid about that passage... that I don't even know where to begin, and quite honestly I'm not even motivated enough to look back over the passage, take quotes and prove my points. But I will say that he might be right about the majority of people not being "intelligent" in the fact that people can't think beyond the norm, but yet if he were as intelligent as he says he is then he would have known that he would accomplish absolutely nothing and that he was the weak one because he was controlled by hate just as we are by 'democracy.'

Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 06:03:17 PM
The important thing was- was he an ANUS member?

Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 06:11:48 PM
ANUS article: Jokela, Finland School Shootings: Society Blames Others For Its Illness

If you want to help ANUS spread the pro-Auvinen word:

1. Digg the ANUS article.

2. Join the facebook group Jokela Highschool Shooting Sympathizers

3. Spread the word on mailing lists, forums and blogs, as was done here.

Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 06:12:42 PM
Sturgmeister? Curious way to pronounce Sturmgeist.  ::)

How is this being covered over in the US? I hear over there this isn't being given much attention if any at all. Not that they won't be quick to shrug it off and decide to blame it on violent video games and music despite what the shooter said anyway.

Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 06:21:05 PM
Here's his profile on youtube before they took it down http://www.kimmo.org/jokela/YouTube%20-%20Smurmgeist89.jpg . I doubt that someone that likes bands like Rammstein or Children of Bodom would be a frequent ANUS visiter, though he obviously had some nihilistic tendency. He does like a few great bands like Slayer or Suffocation though.

Here's the video he posted yesterday http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=369_1194449557

and here's where you can find the other things he wrote http://www.albaani.org/~ilmari/Tuusula/

I think it's a waste that he decided to kill himself like that, he could have had more influence on the world around him if he had tried to find like minded individuals instead of going on a one time killing spree.

Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 06:22:47 PM
He was a metalhead:

Films and Shows: The Matrix, A View To A Kill, Falling Down, Natural Born Killers, Reservoir Dogs, Last Man Standing, Full Metal Jacket, Dr. Butcher MD (aka Zombie Holocaust), Saw 1-3, Lord Of War, The Deer Hunter, True Romance, The Untouchables, 28 Days Later, 28 Weeks Later, Idiocracy, They Live, Apocalypse Now, End Of Days, The Shining, The Dead Zone, Dr. Strangelove, House MD (TV), Monty Python, TV Documentaries Relating To History

Music: KMFDM, Rammstein, Eisbrecher, Nine Inch Nails, Grendel, Impaled Nazarene, Macabre, Deathstars, The Prodigy, Combichrist, Godsmack, Slayer, Children Of Bodom, Alice Cooper, Sturmgeist, Suicide Commando, Hatebreed, Suffocation, Terrorizer

Books: Fahrenheit 451 (Bradbury), 1984 (Orwell), Brave New World (Huxley), The Republic (Plato), all works of Nietzsche


Sort of...


Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 06:27:27 PM
Sturgmeister? Curious way to pronounce Sturmgeist.  ::)

How is this being covered over in the US? I hear over there this isn't being given much attention if any at all. Not that they won't be quick to shrug it off and decide to blame it on violent video games and music despite what the shooter said anyway.

I don't really bother paying attention to the media here. You'd think they'd jump on it, but maybe they aren't because there isn't much to latch onto for them. The kid accepted responsibility for his actions, so any diatribes about prescription drugs, violent movies, music, etc would be redundant. He also doesn't quite fit the "angry white male" stereotype quite well enough (I believe he is of at least partial Sami ancestry)... though they did cover the Virginia Tech shooting quite a bit. Any anti-gun banter would be useless as Finland, as said in the cnn video, has large-scale gun ownership with very little gun crime. One string they could pull though, is condemn him as a fascist/nazi/whathaveyou, yet they don't have the usual crux of racism they use in these arguments. You have to remember we're talking about the press here, if they can't throw their spin on a story, they don't cover it.

I'd like to also add that I in no way condone this kid's action, neither condemn it. I think at heart he was a young idealist frustrated by the state of the modern world. I think there are better outlets he could've pursued (some positive, some negative yet with more effect) than killing his classmates and himself. One thing these events do present, though, is an opportunity for discussion of the motives and ideals behind the acts. Though, as usual, I suspect time will be spent more on the sentiment for the victims and condemnation of the culprit.

Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 06:48:08 PM
This is a problem created by the society for the society. It was / is / will be inevitable. But his idea of Social Darwinism is as retarded as it can get. Even if I come to terms with the principle of the theory, his application of shows that he hardly understood it.

"Natural Selection" - Selection by nature, not by humans. Given the theory is true, it should be that nature automatically mandates the survival of the fittest (intelligent people) and the extinction of the weak (the sheeps). By doing this, he simply put himself in the postion where he accused most of the so called 'authorities' in the society are at. A position from where they judge what is right and wrong.


Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 06:56:52 PM
Natural Selection" - Selection by nature, not by humans. Given the theory is true, it should be that nature automatically mandates the survival of the fittest (intelligent people) and the extinction of the weak (the sheeps).

Aren't humans part of nature? While I agree that he doesn't quite grasp social-darwinism (which is a pretty idiotic concept and could just as well be used to justify capitalism, multiculturalism, consumerism, and stupidity), I don't think you quite have a grasp of it either. Nature isn't 'the other', it is the all. If you were to view nature (all of existence) as a single organism you would see that each plant, animal, mineral, gas, idea, etc is a cell or group of cells within that organism. The cells that are healthy or benign are cultivated while the cancerous ones are rejected. Social-Darwinism obviously isn't true since it seems the weak, parasitic, cancerous people have not been wiped out and often hold positions of authority. I think what Auvinen really believed was that humans have attempted to separate and protect themselves from nature and are thus allowing the cancer to grow.

Social-Darwinism, at least how it has been presented to me, assumes that the social realm applies the same selections to its constituency that the broader natural realm does. In reality, I think it's much more logical to say that societies form in order to manage and lessen the risks inherent in the chaotic, amoral, natural world. Religion, Morality, and Politics are all tools used in this process. To that effect, throughout history as societies become more and more complex they tend to disrupt the natural processes of nature yet essentially only prolonging their short stay before they are eventually engulfed by the chaotic force of nature.

This isn't to say that a healthy society can't exist. But that such equilibriums can be hard to gain and very easy to lose.


Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 07:05:02 PM
I think it's a waste that he decided to kill himself like that, he could have had more influence on the world around him if he had tried to find like minded individuals instead of going on a one time killing spree.

Yea he COULD have had more influence if he had tried to find like-minded people but it wouldn't have been a good influence because he was obviously more ignorant that he thought. He went from viewing the world in a different perspective (usually a good thing) to letting himself fall victim to hate... just like any other weak-minded person, he fell submissive to the average, yet in his case, extreme human psyche called emotion. And, lastly, the fact that he did not look for like-minded people as opposed to a one time killing spree is proof of his ignorance.

Therefore, his death was not a waste.

Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 07:15:10 PM
My point was - For Social Natural Selection to be true, the weaks should perish as if it were a natural phenomena like rotation of earth or the entropic disorder that just happens by itself without any human interference. It might be tempting to then say  "but we are just animals, and only the strong ones survive in the wild." like the killer did, but If you want to strip yourself off 'humanity' that is innate in you and want to bring yourself down to the level of  animals, you have to part yourself away from rationality too and without rationality in human beings, the whole idea of some people being more intelligent than others would simply not exist. His argument implodes on itself.


Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 07:15:53 PM
Also, I would like to see someone with enough balls to actually TRULY stand behind their theory on life and actually not commit suicide. This will never happen... they're all weak.

Re: School shooting in Finland
November 07, 2007, 07:34:05 PM
I never said that.