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Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings

Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 11, 2007, 09:09:09 PM
I personally do not derive all of my philosophies and political opinions from any one group, book, or person.  I agree and support a lot of the ideas from this site, but my views vary in some instances, and I am completely unapologetic for that.

I think, for a group to be successful and complete, you have to know the individual outlook of the members that make up that group.  Kind of a "know thyself" effect on a larger scale.

This site being respectable for the most part, and definitely helping to establish Nihilsm in its entirety among readers, I was just wondering which of the users actually use this site for 100% of their philosophical reference.

Which of you had a strong understanding of Nihilism before finding this website, and which of you used it to learn and understand the world around you through Nihilist teachings?

Am I the only one who isn't completely submitted into this term, or are there other people walking the line here?

This isn't supposed to be detrimental to what you're trying to do; more of an evaluation, plus I'd like to see how you guys feel about ANUS

shadowmystic

Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 11, 2007, 09:49:25 PM
I am extremely thankful for ANUS, without it I would probably still be in my room listening to Slipknot and feeling depressed.  It introduced me into a larger world and allowed me to think for myself (not the opposite as some people claim).  I find that after reading ANUS I read alot more books, which expanded my knowledge base.  I don't agree with absolutely everything on here but for the most part I find myself in agreement with ANUS.  It is good for introducing people into rational thought, and there are recomendations made by Prozak and other members on amazon for books that are informative and give a more complete explanation of the ANUS philosophy.

Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 11, 2007, 09:54:30 PM
I actually discovered nihilism with only my own thinking a short while before happening upon Anus.  I actually didn't have a word for it at the time, but fully understood the lack of value in essentially everything.  That then led me to truly be open to "controversial" ideas, such as fascism and national socialism, so I came across the LNSGP and from there I discovered anus which I found to offer somewhat more broad and philisophical ideas than the former organization.

I don't agree with anus on everything, but when I come across these disagreements I treat them much differently than I normally would.  I agree with anus on enough and trust the ideas enough that when I do disagree I strongly consider the fact that I might be wrong (as I do with most everything, but just moreso in this case).

Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 11, 2007, 10:00:36 PM
I myself see nihilism as more of a tool of ethics without adhering to the bleak ontology that such a state of mind would trace itself to.

Gilles Deleuze concept of transcendental empiricism is an alternative to realist universals and rationalism, as well as bottomless nihilism.  http://users.rcn.com/bmetcalf.ma.ultranet/Transcendental%20Empiricism.htm

William of Ockham was a middle ages philosopher who was arguably the first empirical thinker. He created a theory called "Occams razor" that debases any event or attribute that is not of necessity for understanding. http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/General/occam.html

There are just so many ideas that I think to adhere to one is very limiting to the mind, and may result in delusional fanaticism, or just a lack of what can be called knowing-ness.

Good topic by the way.

Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 11, 2007, 10:05:38 PM
Aren't all philosophies ways of describing the same immortal truth, which is that in life we need a creative direction for us to value above and beyond the tangible and visible and symbolic/emotional? Nihilism is transcendentalism is realism is idealism is structuralism is common sense, is...


Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 11, 2007, 11:55:29 PM

Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 12, 2007, 12:58:20 AM
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Aren't all philosophies ways of describing the same immortal truth, which is that in life we need a creative direction for us to value above and beyond the tangible and visible and symbolic/emotional? Nihilism is transcendentalism is realism is idealism is structuralism is common sense, is...



This seems like a very simplistic description of philosophy, but it does kind of hit upon Hegel's idea that philosophy through the ages is "the progressive unfolding of truth." I would say that your "immortal truth" is behind every type of intellectual activity, though philosophy is also pervasive in them all.

With regards to the beliefs on this website, I would probably be considered a nihilist, but I always choose to abstain from any type of label. It seems that if you give yourself such a label, no matter how closely the definition seems to apply to you and your views, you're identifying yourself with a set of ideas which others gave a name to, something outside yourself, which often leads to blind dogmatism. I found this website a while ago while searching for stuff about black metal, and was reading the reviews long before I discovered this forum or read any of the literature on nihilism here. I don't think I share too many of the views here, however. I can't say whether society is going into a decline or not because, frankly, I don't care too much. I do get pissed when I'm sitting in my dorm room trying to read Proust and the retards in the hallway are yelling and making asses of themselves, rather than doing anything productive or enlightening. This is just a pet peeve though, really.

Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 12, 2007, 01:52:06 AM
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It seems that if you give yourself such a label, no matter how closely the definition seems to apply to you and your views, you're identifying yourself with a set of ideas which others gave a name to, something outside yourself, which often leads to blind dogmatism.


But not always. It didn't for Hegel.

There's also the risk of being labeled as someone unwilling to adopt a label, and thus, not really possessed of beliefs as much as things they want to avoid.

Hegel always seems interesting, but I find his writing makes my skin crawl. It's like a total geek explaining how his computer renders video.

Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 12, 2007, 02:20:27 AM
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But not always. It didn't for Hegel.

There's also the risk of being labeled as someone unwilling to adopt a label, and thus, not really possessed of beliefs as much as things they want to avoid.

Hegel always seems interesting, but I find his writing makes my skin crawl. It's like a total geek explaining how his computer renders video.


Not always, true, but it does happen, even if the person doesn't realize it. I'm talking merely about avoiding the label itself, not the ideas associated with it. I've been guilty of that in the past, and now try to approach new concepts with as least prejudice as possible. I mean, just because some Cradle of Filth vampire faggot doesn't believe in God doesn't mean I will, just to be unlike him. As for Hegel, I've read very little of him so far. I've heard him criticized by many people (Schopenhaur's insults towards him are hilarious), which makes me even more interested in him.

shadowmystic

Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 12, 2007, 03:16:42 AM
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I actually discovered nihilism with only my own thinking a short while before happening upon Anus.  I actually didn't have a word for it at the time, but fully understood the lack of value in essentially everything.  That then led me to truly be open to "controversial" ideas, such as fascism and national socialism, so I came across the LNSGP and from there I discovered anus which I found to offer somewhat more broad and philisophical ideas than the former organization.


I felt like that when I found anus, it was like reading things I had never been able to put into words, it helped me articulate and logically understand what I already thought.

Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 12, 2007, 02:10:53 PM
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I personally do not derive all of my philosophies and political opinions from any one group, book, or person.  I agree and support a lot of the ideas from this site, but my views vary in some instances, and I am completely unapologetic for that.

I think, for a group to be successful and complete, you have to know the individual outlook of the members that make up that group.  Kind of a "know thyself" effect on a larger scale.

This site being respectable for the most part, and definitely helping to establish Nihilsm in its entirety among readers, I was just wondering which of the users actually use this site for 100% of their philosophical reference.

Which of you had a strong understanding of Nihilism before finding this website, and which of you used it to learn and understand the world around you through Nihilist teachings?

Am I the only one who isn't completely submitted into this term, or are there other people walking the line here?

This isn't supposed to be detrimental to what you're trying to do; more of an evaluation, plus I'd like to see how you guys feel about ANUS


I couldn't say that I'm a nihilist ; nor a "christian" nor a "satanist" nor whatsoever. I don't subscribe to any philosophy, my religious views are too personal to be shared on a public level , and my deepest worldview is still under construction...

I appreciate the teachings of the early Greek philosophers, especially Aristotle (Nichomachean Ethics, Mataphysics) ; the book of Paramahansa Yogananda about which Vajra said somewhere that "it sucks" just a few hours after I posted the reference here - I cherish it more than many others ; although it took me a few whole days to read it thouroughly.

I must say that I never managed to get through the whole text of the "Philosophy" section of ANUS.
In consequence of a personal choice, I have been "out of this world" for about 12 years - no music, no tv, no newspapers except some rare news - and when circumstances lead me to take contact with this world again, after some time I came across this site by sheer coincidence.

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I support most of the ideas expressed here, i.e. the Pan-Nationalist site is one of the simplest forms of expression of a realistic viewpoint on society.  

I don't expect anyone to follow my path nor to share my ideas. I'm extremely grateful to the people who are running this forum, for many reasons  :)


Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 12, 2007, 04:38:14 PM
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I felt like that when I found anus, it was like reading things I had never been able to put into words, it helped me articulate and logically understand what I already thought.

Same here for the most part.

Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 12, 2007, 08:00:55 PM
I feel that in the long run I would have been better off without this site. While everything here makes a lot of sense, it wasn't until later that I realized I didn't need this world view that, while pragmatically reached for the same goals, differed greatly in structure from my own system of thought. That being said I found a few articles of extreme benefit, but other than that, I think being here has been mentally unnatural for me.

Arminass was particularly inspiring, as with the "How does a nihilist live" article . The whole philosophy section really was quite good.

Reading the heroes section also let me find Nietzsche and Schopenhauer sooner. This was good.

What's funny is that I find it very difficult to overcome thought patterns that have resulted from hanging around ANUS so long, even though now I dislike them.

chrstphrbnntt

Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 12, 2007, 08:58:12 PM
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I feel that in the long run I would have been better off without this site. While everything here makes a lot of sense, it wasn't until later that I realized I didn't need this world view that, while pragmatically reached for the same goals, differed greatly in structure from my own system of thought. That being said I found a few articles of extreme benefit, but other than that, I think being here has been mentally unnatural for me.

Arminass was particularly inspiring, as with the "How does a nihilist live" article . The whole philosophy section really was quite good.

Reading the heroes section also let me find Nietzsche and Schopenhauer sooner. This was good.

What's funny is that I find it very difficult to overcome thought patterns that have resulted from hanging around ANUS so long, even though now I dislike them.


Any specific examples in regards to what you feel has "tainted" you, so to speak?

edit: I mean, they are just ideas; did you first visit ANUS at a young age?

Re: Dependency on ANUS and Nihilist Teachings
November 13, 2007, 01:12:33 AM
like many have stated in different words, ANUS has helped, although not caused me to realize some of my own thinking. This happened when reading articles that just clicked and made sense, and ones that I questioned. Both caused me to better understand my mind.
The metal reviews have provided insight as well, and in combination with the audiofile section provide an excellent resource for the burgeoning metalhead.
I totally agree with what someone said about the "How to live like a nihilist" article. That one particularily was educational because instead of talking only of problems, talked of workable solutions and how we can actually have an effect.