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Paganism, Nazism, Satanism

Re: Paganism, Nazism, Satanism
December 02, 2007, 08:46:28 PM
I agree with your assessment of Nazism. I've been reading Mein Kampf recently, and I'm actually surprised to find myself impressed by many of Hitler's positions regarding various topics. Generally, I think his ideas regarding race were somewhat crude, but I've never been sold on the idea of race as a biological absolute of central importance, anyway. But yes, you're right... The National Socialist project failed as a result of trying to please each segment of society, especially the middle-class, with it's obsession with comfort over all else, and the capitalist segment, with their financial agendas (National Socialism lost most of it's socialist character swiftly, as a result of the need to compromise with the economic powers of the time).

I would suggest that you look a little bit more into Satanism and Paganism, however. I think the problem you're facing is that you're regarding them in the same sort of crudely supernatural terms that popular society does. The core of each religious system in the end is philosophical, metaphysical and moral, as opposed to being genuinely concerned with supernatural phenomenon.

To be pagan (in the most cases) is to recognize the world of a place of complexity, beauty, conflict and multiplicity; of many interracting and often colliding powers. To recognize and revere the pagan deities is to recognize and revere the principles they represent.

Because of this, I think that paganism is almost an unavoidable destination for the transcendant, joyous, fierce spirit. If you love mystery, if you love life, and if you relish the enormous, divine POSSIBILITY of this world, then your spirit points towards paganism.

Suggested reading: "On Being a Pagan" by Alain de Benoist. Also worth reading are "Tyr" 1 and 2... These are anthologies of contemporary pagan thought.

As for Satanism... Well, Satanism is in many cases a trojan horse for all of the paganism that the Christian world attempting to sweep under the rug. This is not always the case, as many who are attracted to Satanism are drawn to it principally because they are weak, angry and spiteful.... But for others (including myself, when I was younger), the attraction is to the raw Power of the Luciferian archetype. It is masculine, violent, intricate, and infinitely more natural than the Christianity I encountered as a youth.

Re: Paganism, Nazism, Satanism
December 02, 2007, 11:32:02 PM
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I agree with your assessment of Nazism. I've been reading Mein Kampf recently, and I'm actually surprised to find myself impressed by many of Hitler's positions regarding various topics. Generally, I think his ideas regarding race were somewhat crude, but I've never been sold on the idea of race as a biological absolute of central importance, anyway. But yes, you're right... The National Socialist project failed as a result of trying to please each segment of society, especially the middle-class, with it's obsession with comfort over all else, and the capitalist segment, with their financial agendas (National Socialism lost most of it's socialist character swiftly, as a result of the need to compromise with the economic powers of the time).

I would suggest that you look a little bit more into Satanism and Paganism, however. I think the problem you're facing is that you're regarding them in the same sort of crudely supernatural terms that popular society does. The core of each religious system in the end is philosophical, metaphysical and moral, as opposed to being genuinely concerned with supernatural phenomenon.

To be pagan (in the most cases) is to recognize the world of a place of complexity, beauty, conflict and multiplicity; of many interracting and often colliding powers. To recognize and revere the pagan deities is to recognize and revere the principles they represent.

Because of this, I think that paganism is almost an unavoidable destination for the transcendant, joyous, fierce spirit. If you love mystery, if you love life, and if you relish the enormous, divine POSSIBILITY of this world, then your spirit points towards paganism.

Suggested reading: "On Being a Pagan" by Alain de Benoist. Also worth reading are "Tyr" 1 and 2... These are anthologies of contemporary pagan thought.

As for Satanism... Well, Satanism is in many cases a trojan horse for all of the paganism that the Christian world attempting to sweep under the rug. This is not always the case, as many who are attracted to Satanism are drawn to it principally because they are weak, angry and spiteful.... But for others (including myself, when I was younger), the attraction is to the raw Power of the Luciferian archetype. It is masculine, violent, intricate, and infinitely more natural than the Christianity I encountered as a youth.


Your posts are always very interesting to read, that's all I can say.

Re: Paganism, Nazism, Satanism
December 03, 2007, 07:59:19 AM
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Suggested reading: "On Being a Pagan" by Alain de Benoist. Also worth reading are "Tyr" 1 and 2... These are anthologies of contemporary pagan thought


I was looking at Tyr I and II on amazon a little while ago considering whether or not to buy them. Any further feedback you could give on them?

Re: Paganism, Nazism, Satanism
December 03, 2007, 08:09:21 AM
Yes. It is a mixed bag. There are some really excellent essays and articles in there, but there is also a fair dose of stuff which I regard as somewhat academic and irrelevant. Overall, it is useful as an introduction to other, more serious literature. For instance, it is where I first was introduced to Alain de Benoist, who is a very interesting and relevant thinker.

It's basically a lengthy, professional 'zine' by a circle of academic and artistic 'heathens'.


Re: Paganism, Nazism, Satanism
December 03, 2007, 09:56:34 PM
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They're all the same.



Interesting... would you explain it further?

Re: Paganism, Nazism, Satanism
December 05, 2007, 01:58:45 AM
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I was looking at Tyr I and II on amazon a little while ago considering whether or not to buy them. Any further feedback you could give on them?


These new right texts might help, although we all know that being new right is like being emo but you wear a tie.

Re: Paganism, Nazism, Satanism
December 05, 2007, 03:26:46 PM
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They're all the same.


I have to say I think hes right...

Paganism. Nature is a process, natural selection is good, you worship the whole thing both good and bad.

Nazism. Paganism + industrial state.

Satanism. Cheap copy of Paganism.


Divus_de_Mortuus

Re: Paganism, Nazism, Satanism
December 07, 2007, 04:20:57 AM
While the very reading of those three words gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside, actual practice of any form of those concepts is usually left to undesirables of lesser intelligence.

While I wouldn't characterize myself as a "Nazi", I certainly feel the wrong side won the war. I don't believe in any form of religion, but I certainly identify with our Pagan past, assuming you are referring to Germanic or Celtic forms of Paganism. Satanism, while juvenile and sometimes silly, has always been pretty fucking cool, but nothing more than a gimmick at worst that is merely construed as a metaphor at best.

The only ideology that exists that I find appealing is the Creativity Movement, a movement which is both anti-Christian and Indo-European at itís core, but side-steps the shortcomings of most of the mentioned ideologies. I have a good friend who was deep inside Hales circle, and I can tell you the leaders were a respectable bunch, but like all

aimanirrajim

Re: Paganism, Nazism, Satanism
December 07, 2007, 03:09:14 PM
SATANIC WARMASTER!!!  :D  ::)

Re: Paganism, Nazism, Satanism
December 08, 2007, 04:06:32 PM
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While I wouldn't characterize myself as a "Nazi", I certainly feel the wrong side won the war. I don't believe in any form of religion, but I certainly identify with our Pagan past, assuming you are referring to Germanic or Celtic forms of Paganism.


I certainly wouldn't describe myself as a Nazi, but there are too many stupid people out there and all they do is pollute, destroy, steal, kvetch, moan, leech, lie, rape, cheat, steal, cheapen, corrupt, defile and mimic. Can we execute them, or send them to Africa?

I certainly wouldn't describe myself as a Pagan, but to me spirituality is a process not a tangible God, especially not one outside of the world. People who hate this world need a God outside of it. People who love this world need a reverence for the process. This seems to correspond to intelligence.

I certainly wouldn't describe myself as a fascist, but I can see with my own eyes how multiculturalism and globalism aren't working, so I kind of like the idea of ethnic nationalism. People who are like each other work together best, and there are radical differences between groups. Maybe we can separate the good people out into ethnicities, and send everyone else to Africa?

But I wouldn't want to be a Nazi, or Pagan, or fascist. Those people hate our freedom. Our republican president and our liberal media tell me exactly the same thing on that issue, so it must be truth, because it won the elections.