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Therion linked to National Socialism

Therion linked to National Socialism
June 09, 2005, 04:24:36 PM
Känd svensk hårdrockare medlem i nazistparti

I senaste numret av den svenska musiktidningen Close Up Magazine avslöjas att att det pretentiösa svenska metalbandet Therions sångare, Christofer Johnsson, är medlem i de nazianstrukna partierna Sverigedemokraterna och Nationaldemokraterna.

http://www.indymedia.no/newswire/display/17012/index.php


Here's the Therion site:

http://www.megatherion.com/

Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
June 12, 2005, 10:39:31 AM
"Känd svensk hårdrockare medlem i nazistparti

I senaste numret av den svenska musiktidningen Close Up Magazine avslöjas att att det pretentiösa svenska metalbandet Therions sångare, Christofer Johnsson, är medlem i de nazianstrukna partierna Sverigedemokraterna och Nationaldemokraterna."

Translation:

"Famous swedish metalhead member of naziparties

In the latest number of the swedish music magazine Close Up it's revealed that the pretentious swedish metal band Therion's singer, Christofer Johnsson, is a member of The Swedish Democrats and The National Democrats which both have ties with nazism."

In the article he claims that he only have joined these to receive information about them. He also make the common PC-excuse: "My girlfriend is an immigrant" "I know many immigrants"...

Kind of sad...


Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
June 23, 2005, 12:44:18 AM
read the lyrics to 'tyrants of the damned'

Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
June 27, 2005, 07:44:34 PM
Funny... when they came to Mexico i worked as a roadie for them and they were pretty cool... i haven't seen such patience and dedication to the fans in ANY OTHER BAND, aryan or not... as opposed to Anthrax, who came here too and treated their crew, supporting bands and fans like they were sick of them... or are they just too old for the gig?

Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
June 28, 2005, 01:07:15 AM
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read the lyrics to 'tyrants of the damned'


Therion - Tyrants Of The Damned lyrics

Dark age, war
Tyrants
Veils of death
Tyrants of the damned
No meaning we saw
Believers of war
They had thirsts of gore
A third reich
Built by bricks of hate
Soon to fall
Just like their fates
Lunacy
Distortions of their minds
Sick believes
To raise the arian race
Thoughts of hate
A nazi mode of thoughts
The scums are dead
And we don't see their reich
No meaning we saw
With this big war
A power of hate
That mankind creates

Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
June 28, 2005, 01:07:40 AM
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Funny... when they came to Mexico i worked as a roadie for them and they were pretty cool...


Pro-Aryan activism does not necessarily involve enmity toward other ethnic groups.


Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
June 29, 2005, 06:31:08 PM
My point is that, if there is respect to other races and beliefs, then National Socialism is no bigger threat than the alleged Democracy the USA are under now. Thus the comparison. If they endorse any ideology, but it allows them to continue as artists without affecting the quality of their work, or how they deliver it to the final consumer... what's the worry?

Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
January 17, 2006, 11:55:58 PM
Sorry, but this news is absolutely fucking BULLSHIT!
Any moron on the planet can write some crap on the net and then everyone immediatly start believing it! :o

Come on!  How about asking for the source?  This page that is refered to is a left wing page and the stuff written there is totally hillarious!!! In USA, you would regard this as a total "communist page"!

Now, the bottom of all this is that a left-winged music magazine wrote (against Chris will) about that Christofer is a paying member in two nationalist parties. Chris was bothered about them asking about it (what would you be if someone knew about your personal stuff), but claimed he is a paying member so he will receive the party information. He is in no way an active member!  
I have absolutely no reason to doubt this, as:

• the two parties he is a member of are bitter rivals - it is not possible to support them both, you need to take a stand. This clearly shows that he is interested in information only.

• The only thing that the magazine revealed was the membership of Sverigedemokraterna (http://www.sverigedemokraterna.se   - they have info in english), which is the more liberal one of the two. He revealed him self that he was a member of the more extreme one. Now, why would he do that if he had something to hide?

And just for everybodys information. None of them are Nazi parties!  That's just silly!  Sverigedemokraterna have equalents in most other european countries. Like FPÖ in Austria, Danske Folkeparti in Denmark, Vlaams Belang in Belgium etc. You may call them Populist party with a bit of non-extreme nationalism involved. Nothing spectacular or extreme really (unless you are a total left wing person - like those writing these so called "news"). Jon Shaeffer in Iced Earth is for example 100 times more nationalistic than Chris, just to give a comparison.

The other party, Nationaldemokraterna is a bit more extreme, but not nazi. I guess you can say they are as extreme and nationalistic as you can be and still be a legal democratic party.

I am my self a foreigner in sweden (well, I was 2 years when I got here, so I actually only speak swedish) and can understand some of the critical thoughts on the immigration politics that these parties critisize. At least Sverigedemokraterna have no racist ideas at all, they don't blame us who are foreigners, they blame the politicians. I would of course never vote for them, but the whole idea of talking shit about Chris and Therion even if he WOULD have been an active member in that party is totally idiotic!

In any case, just drop this nonsense about national socialism, it has no relevance at all.

THERION RULES!

Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
January 18, 2006, 12:04:47 AM
Here is a quote from the webpage of Sverigedemokraterna by the way:

"We are nationalist democrats and dissociate ourselves from all forms of totalitarianism and racism. Our party have declared that we consider the UN universal declaration on human rights as fundamental for our politics."

What kind of nazi party would write that on their web page??  ;)

Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
January 18, 2006, 02:48:32 PM
Arash makes some good points. Seems like he's debunked the issue, as far as Johnsson is concerned. But from my experiences in Scandinavia, there seem to still be many issues with immigration and violence.

I remember being in Stockholm and realizing that they had to stop the 24hr train service because the immigrants and Non-Swedish reisidents were vandalizing and causing violence on the trains. And there is still a significant divide between the natives and the recent arrivals.

Speaking with the Swedes, behind closed doors, they reveal a different attitude with regards to the immigrants. But since Sweden is so pussy-whipped and super PC, it's not shown publicly.

As for Therion, they've been on the decline since 94'.

Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
January 18, 2006, 03:18:10 PM
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Here is a quote from the webpage of Sverigedemokraterna by the way:

"We are nationalist democrats and dissociate ourselves from all forms of totalitarianism and racism. Our party have declared that we consider the UN universal declaration on human rights as fundamental for our politics."

What kind of nazi party would write that on their web page??  ;)



Any party that wanted to actually participate in the political process in a country with speech codes?

Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
January 18, 2006, 11:47:33 PM
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Any party that wanted to actually participate in the political process in a country with speech codes?


From  that perspective you could call any politcal party a liar. Our left wing party have a big amount of communists in it, still there is not something they talk about on their web page. No one say they have a hidden agenda for that sake and judge them on what they actually say and write instead.  

I'm sure there are some extremer people in Sverigedemokraterna as well, it is kind of inavoidable in their situation that they will attract a few people like that. But the leading members seems to be totally alright as people (even though I might not agree with all their opinions).  

Never mind, I'm not here to defend Sverigedemokraterna. Let's just say that in no other country than Sweden they would be considered too controversial and this whole idea of them being national socialists are utterly and totally rediculous. And by that I want to stress the fact of how extremely silly it is to judge Chris for being a member - no matter if he is being a member because of a political intrest (like he say and that I believe) or if he really would sympasize with them.  
I don't know Chris personally, but I've only heard and read good things about him and the rest of the band from people that have met them.  


Stranger:

THERION on decline?   :o
I'd say the opposite, I have a problem with the old death metal vocals. In my opinion they just get better and better (though I have a bit of nostalgia around Theli that got me into the band). But if I must hear death metal, I find Therion more intresting than most other brutal music. At least Lepaca and Symphony Masses, they have a lot of great unusual elements. Even Beyond Sanctorum in a few songs, I guess it's only Of Darkness I don't like at all (that's their only record I don't own actually).

TC

Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
January 19, 2006, 10:36:20 AM
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you could call any politcal party a liar

give the man a cigar.

Wolfbane

Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
January 19, 2006, 07:24:06 PM
Arash, I think your getting our stance all wrong. We think it's a good thing that Chris or anybody else is a nationalist. We're not pinkos here ;)

Re: Therion linked to National Socialism
January 19, 2006, 08:55:02 PM
It is quite a difference of being a nationalist and a NATIONAL SOCIALIST (which was the accusation).  It is quite a difference to love your country and to love Hitler...

I think the admin here showed pretty bad judgement posting "news" like this before checking if it is true or not first. I mean, if Chris would have joined a couple of nazi parties, that would be quite sensational news. One have to be pretty naive to think that this would be true without every major magazine writing about it big time. C'mon...

And anyway, I'm sure there are people with all sorts of opinions listening to Therion, so I'm not saying everybody would be sad for what ever political views Chris would have (if this wrong information would have been true).
All I'm opposing is spreading false information.  >:(