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NSBM  [ FAIL ]

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
June 15, 2005, 05:54:30 PM
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Music = Ideology


I fucking hate whoever came up with the word "ideology" for this topic, it should be "mindset" or "spirit" or something.

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
June 16, 2005, 04:24:10 AM
I understand your sentiment, but isn't ideology a conclusion of ones spirit?

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
June 20, 2005, 12:44:41 PM
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What the fuck is NSBM ? This term seems to be applied practically to anything. IMO one must not classify bands on the basis of their lyrical themes.
NSBM is short for National Socialistic Black Metal, the very name suggests that there should be some tie with National Socialistc ideology, but since when Metal music is used to convey political ideas ?

since when has it not? metal's dawn started back during the freak movement when most rock music and counter culture music was used to convery political ideas. my question is why do these absent-minded white kids who think it's cool to call themselves nazis think it's necessary to plague metal music with such idiotic ideas and further bring modern music into an even deeper hell-hole that it's already in?

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
June 23, 2005, 08:13:08 PM
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I fucking hate whoever came up with the word "ideology" for this topic, it should be "mindset" or "spirit" or something.


For one to have an ideology, one must be an ideologue.

Most are not ideologues, but are motivated by self-interest, thus their "ideology" is better termed as "self-image"


Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
June 28, 2005, 12:25:36 PM
 :'(This is the End.

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
August 16, 2005, 12:50:38 PM
INFERNUM
BURZUM
ABSURD
ARYAN TERRORISM
...

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
August 17, 2005, 02:47:06 PM
There's an easy way to deal with NSBM if you don't like it. Don't listen to it. It's here to stay until the Thought Police round everyone up.


P.S.  Tanks rolling around are cool. Someone put that Weltmacht video on MEGAUPLOAD.  :)

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
August 19, 2005, 10:45:02 PM
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There's an easy way to deal with NSBM if you don't like it. Don't listen to it. It's here to stay until the Thought Police round everyone up.


I'm not worried about that. I think NSBM is an insult to both NS and BM. It's an easy bandwagon. Notice that the first Absurd album was genius, but their later stuff is crap. Political allegiance is coming before artistic and philosophical integrity. It's too easy to sign up and say "Yeah, I'm an NSBMer, too!" The original national socialism wasn't like this, because it wasn't an identity. I think this is why NS didn't do so well. It wasn't extreme enough. It didn't do enough to cull the white herds, it didn't do enough to discipline people's minds, and it didn't restore a traditional order. It was still too modern. I like John Milius' statement that he's a "Zen fascist." That about describes me, because I think that through conflict, we will be able to perpetrate the rudiments of eugenics on the population. However, there's still a lot of talented but retrograde people out there who need to be killed first.

NSBM now is a complete bandwagon. If you put the right symbols on your CDs, and say the right things, you're accepted even if the music is crap. Not surprisingly, all but a couple NSBM bands are total shit, and none of it (except Absurd, Graveland, Burzum) is on par with the original Nordic black metal explosion. If you hate NS, you should support NSBM, as that negative pointless and boring music reinforces public conceptions of NS as being for ludicrous idiots who cannot tell the difference between good music and crap. If you like NS, I'd surely get the fuck away from NSBM or "white power" music in general.


Annihilaytorr

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
August 20, 2005, 03:47:40 AM
There is a clear problem with stuff like Genocide Kommando, but bands like Sigrblot transcend that realm.

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
August 20, 2005, 08:07:49 AM
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If you put the right symbols on your CDs, and say the right things, you're accepted even if the music is crap.


This pretty much applies to all BM.

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
August 20, 2005, 05:28:44 PM
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If you put the right symbols on your CDs, and say the right things, you're accepted even if the music is crap



excellent point pretty interesting.

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
August 21, 2005, 04:31:25 PM
NSBM is still a revolt against the modern world. However, I don't keep up with it the way others do. But I'm not gonna condemn it.

As for worrying about how the masses see NS, NSBM or Black Metal for that matter, I really don't care. America has no real culture worth talking about, and American egalitarian political culture is failing. The proles will always be "looking back" through history to examine National Socialism. i.e. the holocaust, invading poland, many people dying.. etc etc  

I see value in NSBM because it made me "think about things". For the most part, it opened my eyes to the Jewish problem.  

Anyways, NS, NSBM, Black Metal, Satanism, Paganism etc will always be considered fringe. I don't really care about impressing an egalitarian. If you consider yourself an "American", you're an egalitarian. You can't be proud of being an American, without being proud of being an egalitarian. People don't care if the founding fathers owned african-americans, they answer with things like "Well, heck! Nobody's perfect!"  

So, I'll pretty much stick to my belief that racism, racialism, wp, ns whatever you wanna call it is fringe and we're not gonna impress anyone anyways.


I prefer bands like Gontyna Kry over bands like Gestapo SS by the way...

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
August 23, 2005, 12:01:39 AM
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 Notice that the first Absurd album was genius, but their later stuff is crap.




you mean because they learned to actually play their instruments?

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
August 23, 2005, 05:23:18 AM
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you mean because they learned to actually play their instruments?


more like that there's no direct correlation between their instrumental ability and the quality of the music. Possibly it's due to the two core members of the band being no longer involved.

Re: NSBM  [ FAIL ]
August 23, 2005, 06:21:48 AM
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Waffen SS from Italy is pretty good NSBM in the vein of the Greek Wolfnacht.

old school essence.



From the coverscan that seems to be a good example of exactly what is wrong with the genre.

OTOH, bands like Absurd, Graveland, Burzum, Infernum, Gonyna Kry etc. have a much less literal relationship with NS.