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Jesus was a nihilist

Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 08, 2008, 10:38:15 AM
So...

Jesus showed us God, the best solution for all.

That people don't believe in God is why this has failed in practice.

...

Where did the nihilist metal forum go?

Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 08, 2008, 10:43:58 AM
Er, I just meant that if you place in God a part of the power that was previously seen as being in the hands of humans, lesser corruption ensues within the people.

Unfortunately, not all people can behave like they should naturally.

Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 08, 2008, 02:10:00 PM
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Where did the nihilist metal forum go?


I've wondered that for some time.  

Probably has a lot to do with people claiming to wear the Nihilism Vest whilst all the time adorning it with pretty badges: Nihilism+Hindi; Nihilism+Anti-Intellectualism; Nihilism+National Socialism...

The simplest sum in the world:
Nothing + Something = Something.

Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 08, 2008, 11:37:52 PM
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Hmm, perhaps I should have just said debating weather the Church was preaching nihilistic metaphors was idiotic and made it easier for you fruitcakes to understand. The Jesus myth isn't nihilistic anymore than Slipknot is nihilistic or anything else you could stretch some loose definition of nihilism to fit. Well shit, in that case liberalism is nihilistic because it drops traditional conservative Christian values for some other stupid value system. Fuck you.

Besides, half the posts weren't talking about what the impact on society was, they were refering to him as a historical figure under the assumption the Biblical tales are true, assuming he wanted to be a Jewish Socrates and other moronic ideas. As I said, fuck you.


Fuck me? I hardly even took part in this debate. I'm not the one claiming that Jesus, or the Church preached nihilism under the veil of Christianity. In fact if you read the bottom paragraph of my post, it pretty much summed up exactly what you said, except replace Sex Pistols with Slipknot. Also, in no part in this conversation was there an assumption that Jesus was a historical figure, nor is that required to debate his philosophy. If what you're implying is true, that Jesus never existed, just change the wording a little bit and essentially you have the same debate. This argument does not depend on Jesus' existence to be relevant. Now, if you read my first post, I implied that this is a valid conversation because of the impact that Jesus (myth or otherwise -- IT DOESN'T MATTER) had on our society, to which you turned around and replied that nobody's talking about the impact it's had. Once again, in this particular instance, we don't need to.

If I missed your point, which you hardly implied in your first post, I apologize, but cheer up, kid. Stop being so combative.

Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 09, 2008, 12:14:49 AM
When I said 'nihilist', I was thinking about the behavior. Whether Jesus lived or not or whether there is a God or not doesn't matter. Think about the historical context also.
Because I am more intelligent than you are.

Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 10, 2008, 03:16:52 PM
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I've wondered that for some time.  

Probably has a lot to do with people claiming to wear the Nihilism Vest whilst all the time adorning it with pretty badges: Nihilism+Hindi; Nihilism+Anti-Intellectualism; Nihilism+National Socialism...

The simplest sum in the world:
Nothing + Something = Something.


The problem with all philosophies: someone can claim they believe in one, and then turn it into something else.

The truth of nihilism: if it isn't a form of somethingism, it becomes fatalism, which is for people who should die. More than anything else, it's the idea that if you filter all the "people claiming to believe in something but corrupting it" garbage out of your head, you can see the truth, which is that both nothing and something are needed for anything.

I could see Christian nihilism existing, but it will immediately be devoured by idiots because Christianity is inherently exoteric.
ASBO

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Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 10, 2008, 05:58:25 PM
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The truth of nihilism: if it isn't a form of somethingism, it becomes fatalism.


That is only true if you hold that it is impossible to exist without ideology (a human concept); a thought which in itself is fatalistic at its core (as well as being clearly debunked by everything in nature that lives and is not part of humankind).

Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 12, 2008, 12:20:14 PM
I see nihilism as something to be overcome to avoid fatalism. One rejects the values of modern society, and forms new values. If you take Jesus to just be a man who stirred things up, rather than the son of God, then he could have been a nihilist. Not only did he look beyond the status quo and find new values, he preached these values to "lesser" people.
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Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 20, 2008, 03:15:08 AM
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I see nihilism as something to be overcome to avoid fatalism. One rejects the values of modern society, and forms new values. If you take Jesus to just be a man who stirred things up, rather than the son of God, then he could have been a nihilist. Not only did he look beyond the status quo and find new values, he preached these values to "lesser" people.


But did he use the methods of nihilism? I'm not so sure.

I see nihilism as something that forces overcoming of fatalism. Fatalism is waiting around for the world to serve you up a safe, tangible path. Nihilism is in realizing that nothing means anything, so you must carve beauty into the world.

ASBO

“Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentlemen, a worthless shred of human debris.” - Rush Limbaugh

Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 20, 2008, 12:28:14 PM
Should I conclude that Jesus was only a suicidal rebel?
Because I am more intelligent than you are.

Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 22, 2008, 08:14:44 AM
Well, first off Jesus never existed.  He is a mythic figure.  If he did exist, he was simply a reformer of Jewish religion/lifestyle.  There was nothing deconstructivist in his notions, nothing that transcended Jewish values.

Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 22, 2008, 11:08:25 AM
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Well, first off Jesus never existed.  He is a mythic figure.


A thought experiment. Compare the above with the following:

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." - Charles Baudelaire




Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 22, 2008, 11:53:10 PM
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Why is it that everyone here is still operating under the assumption Jesus was a real person or the events in the Bible are true in any way shape or form? "Jesus" is a product of the church, designed to be an easy sell. Nothing more. Looks like even here they found plenty of buyers.


Even if Jesus wasn't a real person, (which is probably the case) it doesn't mean that we cannot discuss and dissect the philosophy of the figure, which has clearly influenced and formed the world as we know it.

Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 23, 2008, 03:56:28 AM
Jesus died for our sins.
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Re: Jesus was a nihilist
February 24, 2008, 12:59:31 AM
I think Jesus transcended Jewish thought and came closer to the Greek.

I don't think he went far enough. His basic idea was flawed because while it sold well, it did not address the need for a vision outside the individual.

Buddhism made the same mistake, just more elaborately.

Hinduism is a more advanced vision.
ASBO

“Kurt Cobain was, ladies and gentlemen, a worthless shred of human debris.” - Rush Limbaugh