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European popular music

European popular music
April 22, 2008, 11:43:03 PM
The key component characterizing the groups gathered under the term Krautrock is the synthesis of Anglo-American rock and roll rhythm and energy with a decided will to distance themselves from specifically American blues origins, but to draw on German or sources instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmische_Musik
ASBO

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Re: European popular music
April 23, 2008, 12:05:51 AM
What exactly is going on with all of these porn links?

chrstphrbnntt

Re: European popular music
April 23, 2008, 12:13:43 AM
German Oak - Niebelungenlied sounds like an early black metal album. The self-titled album is better, though. It was recorded in a WWII air bunker.

I could go on and on, but there are plenty online lists of great krautrock. Of the more popular groups, Amon Duul II and Ash Ra Tempel have aged particularly well.

edit: Can, Guru Guru and Silverbart all have blues influences, although Can is more influenced by Miles Davis' electric period.

Re: European popular music
April 23, 2008, 04:45:13 PM
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What exactly is going on with all of these porn links?


I think ANUS has a word filter for Wikipedia links. Nice.

Re: European popular music
April 24, 2008, 12:44:23 AM
The "blues scale" (really, a minor pentatonic with blue notes added in three possible locations, an anti-theory more than theory) has Chinese origins.

"The blues" is an American farce designed to sell you idiots worthless music at high prices. On the whole, it has succeeded massively. PWNT
ASBO

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chrstphrbnntt

Re: European popular music
April 24, 2008, 11:04:07 AM
I don't believe I've ever heard Chinese traditional music played in a hexatonic scale. The claim that the "blues scale" "has Chinese origins" is completely baseless. Even if it does, for some reason I'm willing to bet approximately 0% of bluesmen ever listened to Chinese classical music, so it'd be a moot point.

"The Who used power chords, therefore metal sux."

I don't even like blues music, save a handful of albums, but that is a flawed argument.

Re: European popular music
April 24, 2008, 10:12:20 PM
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I'm willing to bet approximately 0% of bluesmen ever listened to Chinese classical music, so it'd be a moot point.


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Re: European popular music
April 25, 2008, 03:00:43 AM
The reason it isn't moot is because blues was marketed and sold as "new/original," but is nothing of the sort.  The specific influences to the performers and artists themselves are totally irrelevant.

Re: European popular music
April 25, 2008, 03:16:12 AM
Blues musicians never seem to come forward and proclaim that their music was made from their own genius in a vacuum. Why does everyone have to state the elements of blues music that existed before it? No one ever said that the cave men played blues music, why attack them because it was not?

Re: European popular music
April 27, 2008, 10:04:53 PM
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Even if it does, for some reason I'm willing to bet approximately 0% of bluesmen ever listened to Chinese classical music, so it'd be a moot point.


...except that the Chinese occupied Africa for a long, long time and left a big imprint on it.

They're about to occupy it again, with the Indians. Neat.

Some info on Chinese pentatonics

Interesting, in Chinese classical music, accidentals are used in this scale.

As the documentation indicates, the "blues scale" is a pentatonic scale with one or more of several "blue notes" added.

It's tempting to say it's wholly atheoretical, at least until someone wrote down a standardized "blues scale," but that may be too far.
ASBO

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Re: European popular music
April 27, 2008, 10:16:28 PM
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Blues musicians never seem to come forward and proclaim that their music was made from their own genius in a vacuum. Why does everyone have to state the elements of blues music that existed before it? No one ever said that the cave men played blues music, why attack them because it was not?


Nobody attacked blues musicians.  Again, their musical methods (not new) were packaged with their aesthetic (novel) as a product, marketed and sold the world over.  The "attack" (observation) here is that anybody upholding the blues as specifically unique in any essential way is being delusional.

Re: European popular music
April 27, 2008, 10:50:18 PM
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The "attack" (observation) here is that anybody upholding the blues as specifically unique in any essential way is being delusional.


For me, it's that blues was a product.

These guys were singing songs, playing them a certain way perhaps through an inability to change keys, and it got hyped out of proportion, became a media powerhouse, and got oversold because it came from the underdog who is presumed to have wisdom for his suffering.

Just like hip-hop, or "po folks" honky-tonk music.
ASBO

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