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A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier

A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier
April 23, 2008, 03:02:49 PM
"[I'm] very disappointed to see how closed-minded some of our fans are. We started extreme metal and now we are doing it even more then before, extreme dynamically. When you listen to the full album, you will understand or not. Never has CRYPTOPSY been soo fast and agressive and at the same time generated feel in metal songs, wow. Not an achievement to you, it seems, but something extremely hard to do. If you get it or not, that's up to you, but people judge fast and I can guarantee that if you open your mind a little, you'll understand and be in awe. No change, then just vote for Bush again while you're at it. You know, [I'm] not an angry person by nature, but god, open your ears."

-Flo Mounier
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Flo Mounier,
it is no small stroke of good fortune that you happen to have found your calling as a drummer, because as a logician or a debater, you are an abject failure. Perhaps there are high school playgrounds, back alleys or political rallies where your brand of fallacious counterpoint is considered legitimate, but we will not be cowed by your indignation or persuaded by your knee-jerk accusations of intolerance.

Facts are pernicious things, never yielding to desire or popular opinion, no matter how widely held they might be to be true. And what could be more popular; at least among washed-up, myopic, uninspired and emotionally fragile musicians past their prime; than that most flaccid and pitiful of canards, that all-purpose excuse of "experimentation"....

In case you've been living under a rock or in a cave this past decade, which I know you haven't been and are simply being dishonest, allow me to fill you in; STACCATO BURSTS OF PALM-MUTED NOTES OF THE EXACT SAME PITCH ACCOMPANIED BY BLAST BEATS AND HOWLING INFANT-LIKE VOCALS HAS BEEN DONE TO DEATH THESE PAST FIVE YEARS.

"Experimentation" refers to trying NEW things. What YOU are doing is hopping on a band wagon and then pretending to be Colonel Klink when these ugly facts are raised to you, and all you can offer by way of defense to your loyal and patient fans is a supercilious, selfish rant about "close-mindedness". Absurd. Contemptible. Pathetic. I'm wracked with disgust, not only that you could release such nakedly derivative, mainstream putris and try to defend it as novel and inventive in the face of overwhelming evidence, but that you could then carry on to lash out in petulant indignation at your justly offended fanbase.

What would it take, sir, to entreat you to merely CONSIDER the possibility that you have stumbled and taken this band in a humiliating direction that shames it's reputation? Are you so far beyond reproach in your own mind that the very notion of finding yourself in error brings out the most dishonest and unflattering in you?

Your fans are not fickle people, Mr. Mounier. They have not come and gone with the trends, they have sought out venues and vendors well out of their way, beyond the reach of the mainstream. If they aren't geniuses, then they are not sheep either. They have the savvy to tell when they're hearing something new, and when they're simply hearing a new trend dressed up in hype.

They listened to the music and they heard the very trend-driven tripe they have been weathering for half a decade and had hoped to find refuge from in your canon, and YOU failed to reciprocate their support. Bands running aground and turning to the bandwagons of the day are nothing new, but then you lashed out at them and called them all obtuse for not heralding what you'd done as a work of high art without a second thought. It's one thing to exhibit skepticism about your criticisms, it's quite another to suggest your work is flawless and all of your critics are by default unthinking and backwards without even addressing their concerns.

- Joesph W
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It would be interesting to see how some Hessians would approach this argument, i don't believe i take either sides...but my perspective is that Cryptopsy should have formed a new band, before deciding to release such horrid material - plus I think that the "fans" have formed another "herd" in a stricter, more conservative world that tries to impose itself by criticism and bashing rather than reconsideration and building a constructive review of Cryptopsy. I think a band betraying its fans is not betrayal, but simply seeking new territory while it is under the assumption that their songwriting is the apex of fucking coolness.

Would like to see how most of you see this.

chb

Re: A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier
April 23, 2008, 03:25:08 PM
Of course the new Cryptopsy sucks but feeling betrayed because the band didn't make the album you wanted is moronic. It's not like they owe you anything. Just listen to their older albums, ignore their new stuff and leave it at that.

Re: A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier
April 23, 2008, 03:31:39 PM
Most bands die out after an album or two.

Smart people know when it's time to give up on the ghost and go find another live body, stupid people keep hounding the ghost to come back to life.

Re: A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier
April 23, 2008, 04:08:21 PM
All this did was make me curious to hear a shitty band again...

link to source?

Re: A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier
April 23, 2008, 04:19:22 PM
The new stuff is basically Incubus-style pussy rock + scenester metalcore:

Bemoan The Martyr

Resurgence of an Empire

There's a third song on their MySpace if you're a true masochist.

Re: A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier
April 23, 2008, 11:13:11 PM
Regardless of the music, it's excellent to see someone making such a relentlessly stupid argument get completely owned.

I see nothing wrong with disparaging the inferior. We don't need it. It has negative consequences. Do you warn people of rabid dogs and forest fires? then warn them about insincere rock music pretending to be metal.

Re: A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier
April 23, 2008, 11:20:38 PM
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No change, then just vote for Bush again while you're at it.


Is this a serious argument put forth by normal Québécois?

By the way, it isn't clear -- who wrote to whom first?

Re: A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier
April 24, 2008, 12:34:49 AM
As I understand it, this was basically just banter back and forth on the Cryptopsy forums.

A bunch of fans were calling the new album shit, Flo Mounier defended it, and one of the fans finally responded with an "official"  rebuttal of his own.

Re: A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier
April 24, 2008, 04:27:58 AM
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Is this a serious argument put forth by normal Québecois?

By the way, it isn't clear -- who wrote to whom first?


Apparently, Flo wrote to all the Cryptopsy "fans" on the forum at the official website due to the relentless bashing.

Re: A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier
April 24, 2008, 04:30:17 AM
Infact this argument reminds me of Lars Ulrich back in the day...

Re: A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier
April 24, 2008, 10:03:18 AM
Just a few years back, and even with "Once was not", they were still part of the great Quebecois metal legacy along with Gorguts and EARLY-Kataklysm... Seems to me its hard to be proud of something here in Quebec.

Re: A Fan revolts against a naive Mounier
April 24, 2008, 10:37:25 PM
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Is this a serious argument put forth by normal Québécois?


Please.