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If A.N.U.S was a political party...

If A.N.U.S was a political party...
May 09, 2008, 07:40:49 AM
Given the sad lack of interesting alternatives or choices in the coming elections, what do you think are some fresh ideas that Hessians and Nihilists could give to the American public in order to bring change to America?



Re: If A.N.U.S was a political party...
May 12, 2008, 11:53:45 AM
Eugenics

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May 12, 2008, 05:35:42 PM
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And, after boasting this way of my tolerance, I come to the admission that it has a limit. Conduct may be founded on the hard rock or the wet marshes, but after a certain point I don’t care what it’s founded on. When I came back from the East last autumn I felt that I wanted the world to be in uniform and at a sort of moral attention forever; I wanted no more riotous excursions with privileged glimpses into the human heart.

http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/f/fitzgerald/f_scott/gatsby/chapter1.html


Or its parent, and the parent of other things, enclosed in that.

Nihilism is the removal of false logic based on the human perspective. Like heavy metal, it's an attempt to see the heavy in life -- the invisible threads of experience, need and wisdom that unite those who are awake.

Nihilism should be seen as a form of idealism, a rejection of the phenomenological and existential, as well as the dualistic heaven/earth scenario that creates an absolutist good/evil. Nihilism is looking at what connects the many parts of life, at once, instead of limiting ourselves to a human or machine perspective.

It is not for beginners. To learn nihilism, start living as a nihilist: throw out all but what is true outside the world of human individuals. Then, rebuild based on what is not only true, in a non-linear sense, but what is beautiful, in an epic and timeless sense.

Nihilism is Romanticism.

Nihilism is derived from a Liberal impulse, "do what is right not what is profitable," but uses the methods that have been true in every age. It is more conservationism than conservatism. It is anti-liberal, and demands that both capitalism and socialism be tempered by an abstract goal.

It is not concerned with inequality, but sees it as necessary.

It is anti-pluralistic.

It is warrior Zen; it is personal fascism; it is Eckhartian transcendental love.

If you want to know where nihilism was born in the West, look to the plains of Kurukshetra. Therein is its genesis, and its greatest step, or perhaps in the unheard laments of others. It is the sound of the universe, moving on from what was less-evolved to what is more evolved, from what was less complex (and less self-referential; less compact) to what is more of each of those attributes.

It is not anti-Semitic, but it refutes all variants of Jewish thought except transcendental Kahanism, and prefers the ancient Greek and Hindu thought from which Jewish thought is wholly derived.

It celebrates the ideas of Baruch Spinoza, Malcolm X, Eldrige Cleaver, Ted Kaczynski, F.W. Nietzsche, Arthur Schopenhauer, Vladimir Putin, Plato, Aristotle, Emerson, Pentti Linkola and Satan.

It refutes the ideas of Jesus Christ, but not God, if God is an abstract container for "all that is which in pattern form invisible enacts itself upon itself to create the external world that if not physical joins in the nexus of materiality."

It does not refute Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, Benito Mussolini or Robert Mugabe. It does not comment on them, as it is not necessary.

It rejects mall culture but embraces inequality through struggle, including economics.

It does not refute natural selection, or any forms of eugenics compatible with it.

It desires constant warfare for the moral attention of humankind.

Nihilism is nothing, like the order of the universe itself. You cannot touch it, you cannot own it, you cannot make it your own. Sometimes, you can channel it, and you will find your thoughts have greater clarity and your actions are not only more effective but achieve results of greater beauty.

And that, in the end, is nihilism: using primal science to escape linearity arising from our entrenchment in the human time-denying (but not timeless) perspective, and to unite the threads of interconnected reality into an organic order.

Good luck, for all who understand this paragraph are initiates, and like trees, are warriors in the struggle for the evolution of the universe.

shadowmystic

Re: If A.N.U.S was a political party...
May 15, 2008, 05:52:29 AM
^^

Confused ramblings of an internet philosopher.  If this kind of contradictory incomprehension cannot be overcome, I do not see where we are going here.  

You're using nihilism as a way to equate anything which, through a sentiment afflicted logic, you deem as 'good' (just look at the 'philosophers' mentioned).  There is certainly a will towards actual knowledge, as demostrated by the mention of 'invisible patterns', but this is destroyed by an insistence that knowledge must arise only in the observation of the operation of nature, rather than an understanding of the transcendent Principles on which it relies.  This leads to the arbitrary and contradictory dogma of 'universal evolution', which is absurd to say the least.

Re: If A.N.U.S was a political party...
May 15, 2008, 09:45:41 AM
The last time this argument was started the net result was infighting and two people removing themselves from the Corrupt forum. I get the impression your agenda is to drive a wedge between the Traditionalists and the rest of the members here.

Do you really see any good coming from this?

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May 15, 2008, 03:51:22 PM
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The last time this argument was started the net result was infighting and two people removing themselves from the Corrupt forum. I get the impression your agenda is to drive a wedge between the Traditionalists and the rest of the members here.

Do you really see any good coming from this?


I think this particular comment is pointing out the frequent misuse of the term "evolution" as synonymous with progression towards heightened forms of expression, which, rooted in Hegelian philosophy, quickly deteriorates into arguments for Marxist class struggle. While not explicitly stated, there is a tendency among ANUSites to view evolutionary processes teleologically.

As a biologist, I am often appalled by the abuse of scientific terminology (see last statement of O.P. here, for example). Biological facts must first be understood before they are to be wielded effectively. And once we realize that most of science operates to the exclusion of possibility*, we soon realize that we ought not trust it with a dogmatism that ranks with the religious fervor of New World Protestants.

*If you aren't aware of the pervasive role of statistical inference across all disciplines, then you clearly haven't read any of the so-called "literature".

Back to the original topic: if ANUS were a political party, we would be in the midst of localizing every single institution and service. Pencil-pushers would become transitional fuels, and drugs and murder would be decriminalized. There are probably better alternatives to plastic, if we still desire to rely upon packaging solutions, but I'll leave that task up to the chemists...

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May 15, 2008, 07:48:08 PM
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^^

Confused ramblings of an internet philosopher.  If this kind of contradictory incomprehension cannot be overcome, I do not see where we are going here.  


The site makes its intents clear, whether you find them agreeable or not -- there is no "we" simply because you have decided to make use of its forum.  In that case, why should anyone take the irritable rants of some forum bitch seriously?

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May 15, 2008, 09:09:51 PM
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The site makes its intents clear, whether you find them agreeable or not -- there is no "we" simply because you have decided to make use of its forum.  In that case, why should anyone take the irritable rants of some forum bitch seriously?


Too many people on these forums (and related forums) get overly pedantic and miss the flavour of what is being said. Some words or phrases only make sense when taken in the context of the whole. That post may sound like incohorent ramblings if you have never read the main anus site but I had no such trouble.

In the past I've not always understood the exact point but instead of posting my disagreement I went away and thought about it. More often than not, I come back and find the post to be much clearer.

Re: If A.N.U.S was a political party...
May 15, 2008, 11:29:33 PM
If A.N.U.S was a political party... Hopefully we would be philosopher kings, dress in robe and confuse people with our Socratic method.

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May 16, 2008, 07:05:53 AM
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The site makes its intents clear, whether you find them agreeo able or not -- there is no "we" simply because you have decided to make use of its forum.  In that case, why should anyone take the irritable rants of some forum bitch seriously?

Because they present inconsistencies in the doctrine...which has been publicly announced here and is thus open to comments. I don't see why one would want to denigrate that.

If ANUS was a political party, it would shit on public opinion, eliminate all other parties, and apply the antisocial-ity of black and death metal to knowledge itself, allowing those who are capable to understand things and excluding those who want to make a social game out of knowledge.

In short: it wouldn't be a political party for long.

shadowmystic

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May 16, 2008, 07:08:38 AM
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The site makes its intents clear, whether you find them agreeable or not -- there is no "we" simply because you have decided to make use of its forum.  In that case, why should anyone take the irritable rants of some forum bitch seriously?


The forum exists for the purpose of discussion, I simply pointed out the errors in that post.  If you find that offensive then I think you should re-evaluate whether or not this site really wants a forum at all.  'We' can in this case refer to everyone affiliated (loosely or otherwise) with this website who actively rejects modern society, right now it seems more likely that they will be divided here, rather than unified.

shadowmystic

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May 16, 2008, 07:11:19 AM
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Too many people on these forums (and related forums) get overly pedantic and miss the flavour of what is being said. Some words or phrases only make sense when taken in the context of the whole. That post may sound like incohorent ramblings if you have never read the main anus site but I had no such trouble.

In the past I've not always understood the exact point but instead of posting my disagreement I went away and thought about it. More often than not, I come back and find the post to be much clearer.


I am quite familiar with this site's 'philosophy', in this case it is incorrect to assume that every disagreement arises from a lack of comprehension.  You may want to consider the possibility that the doctrine presented here is not always correct.

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May 16, 2008, 09:00:28 AM
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'We' can in this case refer to everyone affiliated (loosely or otherwise) with this website who actively rejects modern society, right now it seems more likely that they will be divided here, rather than unified.


You, forum user, created the division yourself by making light of certain "inconsistencies" and deciding instead that they are irreconcilable problems.  Is that not clear?  Your tone is not one of "discussion."

People seeking unity, as you claim to be, don't specifically pick apart doctrine in search of fundamental problems -- that is the behavior of petty theologians.