Philosopher says heavy metal is fascism

[Blaphbee]

This is what I love about these idiotic arguments that are akin to NihilisticNoise's - people always seem to think that if you remove all the fuckups, and leave only smart people, society will remain as the same dysfunctional entity it always has.

Why is it so hard to consider that mundane jobs like this would be abolished as an industry? 500 million smarter, better bred humans are going to generate exponentially less waste than 500 million randomly-chosen, most-likely-mediocre humans, and garbage removal would be a communal effort, as we would all know that our waste adversely affects the environment we share with trillions of other species, thus we wouldn't be stupid about it.

People would get back to basics, and retarded meaningless bureacracies wouldn't be necessary in a small, sane tribal community.

It's great though, that we have a never-ending slew of dumbfucks who will passively argue in favour of a status quo, and think that they've pulled one over on us stupid eugenicists. Smart humans don't accept a broken system that's already in place: they make it efficient and useful for everyone.

Of course, not everyone is equal, so some will be better suited to take up other trades that mean more to a community than sanitation disposal (confer above paragraphs), and instead of worrying about who will do the shitty jobs, we can worry about how to fix the decayed hulking fuckup we've made of this planet first and foremost, and realize that shitty stupid jobs won't exist in a better system.

People are great at producing endless reams of excuses why not to do something, hows about we pick up the ball and start doing something without the fucking whiners or their needless acceptance of what must be done to fix things?

[adioshombre]

This is what I love about these idiotic arguments that are akin to NihilisticNoise's - people always seem to think that if you remove all the fuckups, and leave only smart people, society will remain as the same dysfunctional entity it always has.

Even if it doesn't fix the problem it would be a lot nicer to live here if all the really stupid people were gone. You can keep the regular stupids, they're not so bad, but the really dumb motherfuckers ought to just go

[mayhem-kin]

well if all the dumb fucks go. who does there shitty jobs

[Big Cock Beelzebub]

well if all the dumb fucks go. who does there shitty jobs

:lol: you're taking the piss right?

[mayhem-kin]

:lol: you're taking the piss right?

actually im being serious, so if all the dumb guys go someone has to be a mail man or a garbage man or something like that. So the dumbest of the smart guys then does all there jobs and is the dumb ass we got rid of

[Big Cock Beelzebub]

I was only being nice.  :-/ If you're not taking the proverbial Michael, the only alternative is that you've either ignored the previous posts or you're stupid enough to think you're adding something to the discussion. You're not.

[death metal black metal]

Anything that demands an answer, or action, will mean that someone cannot do exactly as they "want" to do, thus is fascism. OH NO

[Dylar]

An answer to all of that is simply: No. Metal is no fucking escape at all. It's just knowing the market. Kids are alienated? hey then this noisy angry shit'll keep the dollars flying. they can buy their social medicine from us. Burzum and Graveland are no escape at all. Check out how they sell on ebay, or Mutiilation or Absurd albums. They all fall in to this format. Of course they do, they're made within a society which is the target of our criticism. There is no outside.

There's a certain fatalism here that I find rather discouraging.  Of course there's an "outside," at least in the sense that ideas and possibilties exist independently of the current order (if there were no "outside," social order would be static, but history disproves this).  Social structures are self-perpetuating, yes (and those that aren't, of course, simply disappear).  And, of course, they tend to move to co-opt transgressive forms of expression (as this society has done with "black metal").  That doesn't make the ideas of, say, Burzum, a product of what it critiques, it just means that our society has managed to channel the energy of those who listen to Burzum away from the ideas and ideals embodied by the music and toward something non-productive (and thus non-threatening), in this case, socializing.  Burzum and the ideals it represents still stand on the "outside," so to speak.  The fans, on the other hand, don't.

[Dylar]

Mayhem-kin and NihilisticNoise seem to be missing something fairly obvious.  Eugenics aims not only at improving the quality of individual members of society, but in doing so, altering the fundamental structure of society itself.  The goal of a eugenics program is not status quo smarter, but a radical realignment of societal goals and methods, made possible by removing the stupid, the emotionally disabled, the dishonourable etc. (i.e. those who currently determine the structure of society and stand in the way of productive effort).  Remove these people and you remove the need for most of the "shit jobs."