ANUS = faggot emo movement?

[ASBO]

I don't think there's any way of validating my personal life over the internet, so it'd be foolish to try wouldn't it? More so, why bother if you could?

On the internet, everyone has a nine inch penis.

[MorbidInvasion]

Sex is an aspect of life that demands to be taken seriously. Surely you can differentiate between 'sex' and 'promiscuity'?

And I like to drink beer, get laid, all that. I don't take it seriously, like I don't set up an online cult about drinking beer. I just enjoy it.

[ASBO]

I just enjoy it.

Do some things require taking seriously to enjoy?

Like, if I enjoy playing guitar, and want to get good at it, I might need to take it seriously, don't you agree?

But if I enjoy guitar, and part of my enjoyment is wanting to get good, then, wouldn't I need to take it seriously?

(Of course I take the sexual act seriously, but I do not separate the sexual act from love and family, because I take life -- and eugenics -- seriously.)

[MorbidInvasion]

I agree with your most recent post. But to me, Hessianism seems like a near-complete retreat from society. Which is sad, and defying your own human nature.

[ASBO]

But to me, Hessianism seems like a near-complete retreat from society. Which is sad, and defying your own human nature.

I think it's a view desiring a society within a society (subculture versus counter-culture, or opposing society) that upholds better values, AND takes the view that our current society is unstable and will eventually phase itself out with a whimper and not a bang.

It's meant to embrace the values of a great musical genre, and to live by those, instead of some of the plastic values that are popular now. It's not any different than finding a philosophy, religion, martial art or breakaway community.

But we do have to avoid falling into certain traps, like false elitism or withdrawing from reality and hanging out on the sofa, watching TV and posting LOLCATS to the interwebs. Then again, so do most others.

[MorbidInvasion]

I wouldn't say you come anywhere close to upholding the values of metal. Nobody can, because they are so diverse. Do you uphold every value from the Nazi ramblings of bands like Der Sturmer to the Christian ramblings of bands like Horde to the homo-erotic ramblings of bands like Apator to the simple 'we're thrash and we drink beer' ramblings of bands like the new thrash movement?

You can't possibly.

What about Chris Reifert, of Autopsy, who you guys seem to like. I'm sure he wouldn't like ANUS

[JJ]

Modern society is a retreat from reality.

Nothing in life is taken seriously when you dedicate your time to cheap gratification and popular opinion.

[Raise_the_Dead]

I wouldn't say you come anywhere close to upholding the values of metal. Nobody can, because they are so diverse. Do you uphold every value from the Nazi ramblings of bands like Der Sturmer to the Christian ramblings of bands like Horde to the homo-erotic ramblings of bands like Apator to the simple 'we're thrash and we drink beer' ramblings of bands like the new thrash movement?

You can't possibly.

What about Chris Reifert, of Autopsy, who you guys seem to like. I'm sure he wouldn't like ANUS

http://www.hessian.org/metal/culture/values/

Outlines our values quite well (whether you think they are "metal" enough or not is irrelevant); you can stop the name-dropping now

[Prospero]

Looks like a bunch of bad dudes talking like they were straight out of Pulp Fiction. I'm glad they noticed that the quality of english used on ANUS is good. It makes ANUS stand apart from the rest of the metal communities (which might be a bad thing, but that's what happens when you get to go to university - or read too much Nietzsche, I guess). The False Profit has impressive skills when it comes to arguing.

[Dylar]

I wouldn't say you come anywhere close to upholding the values of metal. Nobody can, because they are so diverse. Do you uphold every value from the Nazi ramblings of bands like Der Sturmer to the Christian ramblings of bands like Horde to the homo-erotic ramblings of bands like Apator to the simple 'we're thrash and we drink beer' ramblings of bands like the new thrash movement?

You can't possibly.

What about Chris Reifert, of Autopsy, who you guys seem to like. I'm sure he wouldn't like ANUS

Outliers are outliers: they're not representative, so why even bother taking them to account.  The values of metal (as a collective subculture) have been pretty consistent, whatever the values of individual bands might be.

[MorbidInvasion]

Outliers are outliers: they're not representative, so why even bother taking them to account.  The values of metal (as a collective subculture) have been pretty consistent, whatever the values of individual bands might be.

Outliers? Those were examples not outliers. Have you heard the term 'N S B M'? 'White Metal'/'Unblack Metal'? And a great number of thrash bands sing about exactly what I said above. If you think that there IS just one single collective metal subculture, you're wrong.

[Dylar]

Outliers? Those were examples not outliers. Have you heard the term 'N S B M'? 'White Metal'/'Unblack Metal'? And a great number of thrash bands sing about exactly what I said above. If you think that there IS just one single collective metal subculture, you're wrong.

A data point ('example') that sits well outside the curve is an outlier, period.  There's a perfectly fitting old saw to plug in here: are you familiar with 'the exception that proves the rule'?

And really, it's fundamentally ludicrous to even discuss Christian 'metal' in this context.  It's a marketing tool dressed up in music, and, as a cultural group, it has virtually no congress with the world of non-Christian metal.  Very few of its followers are involved with any non-Christian music at all, which makes it radically different from even something like National Socialist Black Metal, which shares a similar basic outlook with the rest of metal,  and lacks the self-contained fanbase of Christian 'metal.'

[detrath]

If all that holds all of metal together as a genre is the agreement on using guitar, bass, and drums, then what makes it metal and not just jazz or rock or any other genre that likes to depend on those instruments?

To me, the most important, basic thing going on with Hessian.org and the DLA and the kind of metal analysis that goes on around here is the attempt to look for that something else that is often very difficult to articulate that is behind why these bands seem to us to hang together so well in this broad category "metal". The more you start to try to differentiate the genre and decide what makes metal metal, the more you find yourself building into it and before long you're talking about alot of things you might not have thought would go into it at first glance like attitude and values.

The more features that are drawn out in this manner, the more discerning the eye for genre distinction and genre quality. Is this worth doing or is it just a bunch of wasted breath and overanalysis? Undoubtedly it can be taken too far, but at the same time, I think issues of genre quality are important. For example, we want to be able to say more about why 1,385,238 bedroom black metal bands are so awful than merely that we dislike them or think they suck. It would be nice to be able to articulate some reasons that are justified by some more in-depth standardized categories.

[chrstphrbnntt]

If all that holds all of metal together as a genre is the agreement on [size=13]using guitar, bass, and drums,[/size] then what makes it metal and not just [size=13]jazz[/size] or rock or any other genre that likes to depend on those instruments?

Have you ever heard a jazz album?

[detrath]

Probably a shitty choice, pick some niche of jazz that really does like to rely on those, or whatever other genre, it really doesn't fuckin matter for the argument. I was imagining a band with jazz guitar, drums, etc at the time, it wasn't a careful decision on my part with respect to possibilities of instrumentation.